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Ireland Team Talk XII: Farrell's First Fifteen

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  • Posts: 2,519 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I wouldn't say Treadwell is locked in; I think we'd have seen more of Joe McCarthy or Tom Ahern this series if either were fit. Treadwell has a big chance though to push further ahead on Saturday.

    On Will Addison, he hasn't played any rugby in a year. He's a really talented player, and versatile, but it's going to be very hard for him to make it back for a RWC.

    Hume will be really disappointed, and needs to find a bit of form.

    A lot of the squad has a settled-ish feel to it, but there will inevitably be some injuries which will give guys a chance to impress between now and then.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,595 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    There will be either 5 or 6 back 3 players.


    Barring injuries I feel Hansen Lowe and Keenan are locked in.

    I think JOB can lock himself in because of his ability to cover so many positions.

    Then Baloucoune is in pole position for one of the remaining spots but not quite locked in.

    But it will be one or two from Baloucoune Conway Earls or Stockdale with Haley Daly Addison and Lowry as outside chances.



  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 36,496 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    Lowe rather than Lowry I take it?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,595 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,719 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    Would've liked to have seen Osbourne make the bench instead of Ringrose. Shame that the WC will prob come too soon for him to make a strong push. Good team all around.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,329 ✭✭✭TRC10


    I think we could see Garry Wingrose at some stage on Saturday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,870 ✭✭✭sprucemoose


    think haley has been the second best ireland eligible 15 for the last few seasons tbh. pretty much only plays 15 though so less versatile



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,018 ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    (Don't draw it on yourself is my advice, TRC....)

    But he's now the 5th centre Farrell has put in the 23 jersey.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,004 ✭✭✭ionadnapóca


    I think thats Lowry. But he's only getting a slot now if something happens to Keenan just before WC. He will be the only other squad player who will have been playing at FB for their province. Hayley is just not on this team's radar.

    Back three 'depth chart' for RWC*

    *Based on the NZ, SA & this Fiji selection

    15 Keenan(1), O'Brien (5), Carbery, Hansen, Lowe, Lowry, Larmour or Conway

    14.Hansen (3), Baloucoune (4), O'Brien, Conway or Earls or Larmour, Ringrose

    11.Lowe (2), Hansen, O'Brien, Earls, Stockdale

    If Farrell picks a 6th back three player I think he'll be selecting from Conway, Larmour or Earls

    Earls is currently on 98 caps. It's harsh to say but I dont think he deserves to get back in ahead of the current incumbents. Yet it would great to see him reach 100 caps and I'm convinced Farrell is going to give him every opportunity to reach the century before or even at the RWC.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,819 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    As good as Karmour is and he is superb, I can't see him make it. He's not as rounded as the others. In fact, his weakness under the high ball probably will exclude him. At fb he's decent. He wouldn't be as good as Haley or Lowry, imo. His positioning is just ok and then there's the high ball. He's the beat ball carrier on the squad and he has that X factor in multiples. But the negatives outweigh the positives.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,819 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    Oops.... Larmour



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,870 ✭✭✭sprucemoose


    i think haley is a better overall, if less spectacular, 15 than lowry, but he seems to be behind him and others in the pecking order

    i know its based on current availability but id hope conway would be ahead of hansen and lowe at 15. much as he hasnt played there in a good while at this stage, i wouldnt be convinced by hansen or lowe there at all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,595 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    Any word yet what we are doing for rugby world cup warm ups.


    We have done 4 games before with only a small number of players actually going to the world cup playing in the first few. That would be Earl's best chance to get to 100 caps and not be a repeat Peter Stringer.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 5,444 Mod ✭✭✭✭Lost Ormond


    We have 2 confirmed and both are at home so i imagine we'll have at least 1 more. Italy and England at home and theyre 2 weeks apart..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,004 ✭✭✭ionadnapóca


    We’ll have to agree to disagree on Hayley!

    What i showed in BOLD are the lads who will get picked in the WC squad & the positions they can cover during the tournament.

    e.g. Keenan gets a knock in match or day before and O’Brien, Carbery, Lowe and Hansen can cover FB

    If Keenan was subsequently ruled out of the rest of the competition you get to call up a replacement. That would be Lowry.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,870 ✭✭✭sprucemoose


    if everyone mentioned is fit and available i dont think balacounce gets in the squad tbh, o brien would depend on how many centres/half backs are picked as his ability to cover different positions might be helpful. unless form changes massively in the meantime, i think conway has enough credit in the bank to be ahead of RB. i wonder if lowe and hansen will still be in form come rwc time though

    if there is only one out and out 15 in the squad as i think there will be, id have conway in just as emergency 15 cover. id be very worried if carbery, lowe or hansen had to step in at 15 against a decent team



  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 36,496 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    I don't think we'll have any out and out 15s.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,004 ✭✭✭ionadnapóca


    Fair point on Conway v Baloucoune

    Conway has missed allot of rugby. He’ll have to get back up to speed first at Munster.

    If Baloucoune goes well v Fiji and Aus I don’t see how Conway can get the 14 jersey back for 6N.



  • Posts: 2,519 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I think if Baloucoune gets a couple of more opportunities he'll not only make the squad, he'll make that 14 shirt his own. Conway has been a brilliant servant for years, and is probably one of our very best defensive wingers over the past few years. That said, we just don't have guys in our backline with the incredible speed and athleticism Baloucoune gives us. He's makes us so much more dangerous imo.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 93 ✭✭LRind2008




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,103 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    There's also the possibility that neither of them will be in the 14 jersey, if Lowe reclaims the 11 and Hansen moves across.

    I'd like to see Baloucoune get a run at the Wallabies, he had a mixed game against SA and not many chances in attack.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,004 ✭✭✭ionadnapóca


    Fiji Team

    Forwards

    • 1 Eroni Mawi
    • 2 Sam Matavesi
    • 3 Manasa Saulo
    • 4 Isoa Nasilasila
    • 5 Ratu Leone Rotuisolia
    • 6 Albert Tuisue
    • 7 Levani Botia
    • 8 Viliame Mata

    Backs

    • 9 Frank Lomani
    • 10 Teti Tela
    • 11 Vinaya Habosi
    • 12 Kalaveti Ravouvou
    • 13 Waisea Nayacalevu (Captain)
    • 14 Jiuta Wainiqolo
    • 15 Setareki Tuicuvu

    Replacements

    • 16 Mesulame Dolokoto
    • 17 Livai Natave
    • 18 Lee-Roy Atalifo
    • 19 Apisalome Ratuniyarawa
    • 20 John Dyer
    • 21 Simione Kuruvoli
    • 22 Ben Volavola
    • 23 Adrea Cocagi




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,004 ✭✭✭ionadnapóca


    Yes and that's probably whats going to happen unless Baloucoune rips it up tomorrow and has a good run out v Aus

    Hansen & Lowe are prob the two best wingers in the squad at 'heads up rugby'



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,386 ✭✭✭Paul Smeenus


    I think Lowry's a better FB than JOB, but O'Brien acquitted himself well and has certainly earned another stab at it. His versatility makes him a good bench option.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 93 ✭✭LRind2008


    Disagree and so does Farrell, being versatile makes you a good player lol. Having skills that broadly apply to a number of different positions is one of the best skills to have as a back three player and If JOB is deemed to be more versatile that means hes a better player and thus picked by Farrell



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,386 ✭✭✭Paul Smeenus


    Yes - they have a cap each so that's that settled for eternity. Thanks for setting me straight, Mrs O'Brien.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 93 ✭✭LRind2008


    Sorry your son didnt get picked Ms Lowry, better luck next time



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,386 ✭✭✭Paul Smeenus




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,113 ✭✭✭irelandrover


    How can you say that JOB, who hasnt yet played for Ireland in the back three, is ahead of Lowry in the back three. Is there any chance that Farrell wants a look at him at full back and thats why he is starting this weekend, and it says absolutely nothing about the current pecking order?



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