Clontarf to City Centre Cycle & Bus Priority Project discussion (renamed)

Citizen Six · 16-10-2022 06:53PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119748429#Comment_119748429

What exactly are you suggesting? Something different than's already planned?

If you want to take more of the park, it probably requires felling trees, and people do not want trees taken down for a cycle path.

CatInABox · 16-10-2022 07:34PM

Yeah, the current plan was arrived at after much, Much, MUCH consultation. People didn't like taking the trees, so they came up with a compromise, the path that's currently there will turn into the cycle lane, and then a new pedestrian path will be built inside the park.

That's right, despite all the whining from drivers about how they should just be taking some of the park and leaving the lanes alone, they actually did take some of the park. The amount of people who think that all this disruption is from a simple cycle lane is unreal. I've even had people continuing to complain about the cycle lane, even after telling them that most of the work is for the vital water main.

Citizen Six · 16-10-2022 07:51PM

They don't want to listen, and they'll just keep complaining about the cycle lane.

I think it's actually going to slow my commute down, but it's not about making it better for just me. It's going to encourage more people who otherwise wouldn't have used the route. And it's also part of making Fairview park safer and more appealing to people.

brianc89 · 18-10-2022 04:05PM

Bus stop 617 inbound on North Strand was closed yesterday. I'll not in the city at the moment to see the impact (if any).

I was passionately against removing this stop. Does anyone here have any info on this? Were the Firestation or FiveLamps stops busier etc ?.....

spurious · 20-10-2022 12:18PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119761164#Comment_119761164

If anything I would say they were much less busy, considering the numbers of small streets on both sides of the road 617 serves all day.

The Fire Station stop is busy with people alighting in the morning to go to East Point, but quite regularly empty. Again, no consultation with residents.

We were told it would be temporarily removed for the works (along with the car spaces) and reinstated afterwards, when what is actually happening is they are taking it away.

brianc89 · 20-10-2022 12:54PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119770041#Comment_119770041

Yep they are removing 7x bus stops permanently. I took it up with local councillors and TDs but got nowhere.

The 2.5km C2CC route represents only 1% of the broader Bus Connects plan to upgrade bus lanes. Good luck to DCC upgrading the other 99% if are going to operate like this - removing stops by stealth without consultation with residents.

Shedite27 · 20-10-2022 05:15PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119770207#Comment_119770207

The did it without consultation, yet you knew about it from the consultation?

The changes were well marked in the plans, they even did a document highlighting the stops that were changing/removing

https://www.dublincity.ie/sites/default/files/2022-09/C2CC%20Bus%20Stops%201.pdf

brianc89 · 20-10-2022 05:26PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119771574#Comment_119771574

I didn't say I knew about this from consultation??????

The document you linked was issued on August 31st 2022, a couple of months after works commenced. There was no mention of it prior to this. Plans issued as recently as March 2022 showed the current stops as-is.

c2cc-presentation.pdf

Shedite27 · 21-10-2022 09:10AM

Whatever about the timeline, there's a bus stop 250m either side of that one isn't there? What's the logic for keeping it? You've at most (for the people living exactly equidistant), added 250m to their commute, they're getting a bus so it's not like their destination is door to door like a taxi anyway, they'll be walking when they get off the other side.

21-10-2022 09:24AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119773769#Comment_119773769

That particular poster thinks that that is too far. What people who cannot walk this distance do when they get into town is not clear

brianc89 · 21-10-2022 10:07AM

It's 300m either side actually.

The globally recommended guidelines for bus stop spacing is 400m. North Strand gets 600m, 50% higher than guidelines.

Obviously you're going to respond that guidelines are based on nothing, therefore they should be ignored. I've accepted these stops are gone, so let's move on.

Do you also think it's good planning that the bus stop at Preston Street is being removed despite Irish Rail having submitted planning to open a new Connolly entrance at.... you guessed it .....Preston Street?........

LXFlyer · 21-10-2022 10:15AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119773990#Comment_119773990

Retaining stop 675 at Preston Street would have made more sense than retaining stop 619 which is really too close to the preceding stop on the other side of the Five Lamps.

But what’s done is done at this stage.

brianc89 · 21-10-2022 10:24AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119774022#Comment_119774022

What's done is done indeed.

At this stage, what amazes me is that no one seems to take issue with DCC breaking guidelines by 50% without any consultation, proper notice or providing any data whatsoever that justifies why they broke guidelines.

Shedite27 · 21-10-2022 11:05AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119773990#Comment_119773990

Stop 617 is 267 and 282 each side if you're being pedantic. It's a 2 minute walk for anyone that's going to be walking around town when they get there anyway. Think of how many people that impacts versus everyone coming inbound through those stops that has to sit through another stop and start of the bus. As my teacher used to say, if I waste 1 minute of class time, and there's 30 people in the class so I've really waster 30 minutes.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119774063#Comment_119774063

That's not the system of government we live in tho, whenever there's a decision to be made, we don't ask everyone to vote, we have elected representatives to guide these departments that make decisions. they do consultations for the big ticket items, it'd be impractical to do it every time a change was made to plans.

brianc89 · 21-10-2022 07:18PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119774215#Comment_119774215

If you're going to be pedantic at least get it right. You referred to the old red numbers instead of the green ones which show a new spacing of 592m between those stops.

I would argue that the permanent removal of a bus stop is a very important issue for the people it impacts. For a Luas stop, an enormous amount of consultation and planning goes into stop positioning, but DCC have a free hand to do what they like. I'm not okay with that. Most people here seem to be, which is fine.

spurious · 22-10-2022 02:47PM

They are shutting off the water again next week too. Seems that wasn't a once off, or temporary either.

They also dump their vans and various pieces of plant in our street (no parking paid for of course). Why they choose the shortest street in the area I don't know.

More than another year of this sh1te ahead.

petronius · 02-11-2022 12:58PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119753030#Comment_119753030

Either making the existing cycle lane which is on pavement on the east side of the road a little bit bigger, either by adding a bit from the park. Or using one of the routes (howth road to annesley bridge) inside the park as the cycle lane - putting it on the road way adds volume which could be avoided. Would not require that much trimming of the trees!

Seth Brundle · 02-11-2022 01:16PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119823299#Comment_119823299

The existing cycle lane is shared with a pedestrian footpath and therefore is not a good idea. This is the same with the cycle path through the park.

In addition, the route through the park would deter many potential cyclists due to the perceived lack of safety at night.

Also, you were proposing (if I'm not mistaken) that outbound cyclists should cross the six lane road twice to access your proposed cycle path. The time spent waiting to cross once would probably be the same time it would take them to cycle along the road!

Your ideas have all been considered and discussed and turned down due to various impracticalities.

Have you cycled along either of those tracks and what was your experience like?

Citizen Six · 02-11-2022 03:08PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119823299#Comment_119823299

There isn't really much point debating this. That section of the cycle path is almost complete, including the new footpath inside the park, and reinstatement of the railings. It took a decade to get this far, it's not going to be changed.

As for not requiring trimming the trees that much, I don't think you really understand the layout of the trees in the park, or peoples opposition to them being touched in any way.

cgcsb · 02-11-2022 06:20PM

Will be interesting to see 7 or 8 bus corridors simultaneously under construction across the city and the lane closures that'll come with that. The whining will be unbearable.

alentejo · 07-11-2022 12:40PM

Cycled from Fairview to Custom House over the weekend - The inbound cycle lane seems narrow for such a busy cycle route!

Citizen Six · 07-11-2022 04:29PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119844509#Comment_119844509

It'll be grand as long as you don't overtake any other cyclists.

cgcsb · 07-11-2022 04:41PM

The scheme has been in planning for so long, it now seems quite old fashioned. If you look at the plans you'll see that a 6 lane Road is still ploughing through fairview, albeit with a new cycle lane and the same miniscule footpaths

bk · 07-11-2022 05:46PM

Reminds me of the "new" cycle route on Griffith Avenue, it was started back at the start of Covid as a quick temporary project. 3 years later, the "temporary" works still haven't been completed!

And what is worse, it is a pretty mediocre attempt. Narrow cycle lane on both side of the road, which makes it almost impossible to overtake a slower cyclist. What is crazy it would have been just as easy to build a two way cycle way on one side of the road, which would have given lots more space and allowed for overtaking and all without taking literally any more space from the road or footpath.

And of course the cycle lane disappears at bus stops and outside the schools they are going to have cars enter the cycle lane to park on street!

These new cycle lanes are better then just the line painted on the road, but while dedicated lanes, they are very low quality examples, at least 30 years behind what the Dutch are doing.

Citizen Six · 07-11-2022 05:50PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119845658#Comment_119845658

The path inside the park is actually really nice. Walked it today heading out from town.

p_haugh · 08-11-2022 01:11PM

Bit of a progress update, with some of the bus stops at advanced stages:

https://twitter.com/DubCityCouncil/status/1589952418405814272?t=wLkx1NVu3i6eH9BlScCGCw&s=19

CatInABox · 08-11-2022 02:28PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119848919#Comment_119848919

Nice view of the island bus stop designs there.

It's going to be interesting to see how they handle the works under the Clontarf bridge, think it's going to be mainly night works, with one span completely closed, but I do wonder if it's going to bleed over into the morning at all.

Dyr · 08-11-2022 02:37PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119845658#Comment_119845658

I can't wait to see the footpaths, the NTA have long been of the opinion that a narrow gangway is sufficient for pedestrains, and the lycra larries will still cycle in them 😂

Thelonious Monk · 09-11-2022 12:16PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119849244#Comment_119849244

More likely clowns like you will drive and park all over the footpaths like they had been doing anyway

spurious · 09-11-2022 11:55PM

The inbound stretch (with the bus/cycle lane only) from the Fire Brigade to Newcomen bridge is a free for all these days.

Car drivers ignoring the 'no turn towards town' rule, cyclists lashing through both sets of pedestrian lights and also the ones at Ossory Road, cyclists up on the already squashed footpath and most dangerous of all, buses, cars and cycles crossing the solid white line to overtake each other in the narrow bus lane.

Add all that to the darkening evenings/mornings and the ninja all in black costumes of (it appears) most of the population and it is only a matter of time before someone is badly hurt.

Clontarf to City Centre Cycle & Bus Priority Project discussion (renamed)

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