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So "X" - nothing to see here. Elon's in control - Part XXX

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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,837 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Independent external traffic analysis says that user numbers are dropping but an internal Sales FAQ says things are going great..

    Which one to believe , so hard to know which one to trust.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,770 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    Interesting thread this and it confirms what I have reiterated for years, that Trump was Twitters biggest advert and saved Twitter from financial ruin.

    Most people don't really appreciate how close Twitter was to shutting down. The 2016 election was the only thing that saved them and made them relevant again (to the detriment of us all).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,779 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    I was thinking more along the lines of a James Bond movie myself with Monty Burns as the villian...

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,227 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson




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  • Posts: 276 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Yes, I think we should all believe the sales people who want to tell us how great the platform is doing.

    That would be utterly reasonable. Nothing to see here at all. Everything's fine!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,779 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    US midterms are apparently bumping it up a bit.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    And post election denial could drive it up more.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,067 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    This is the kind of liability that a due diligence process shows up, in the professional world.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,106 ✭✭✭Christy42


    Honestly watching people pile on Elon is also a lot of fun. He comes across as a terrible person without much in the way of thick skin. Both of those will get old pretty quickly when the elections are over and Elon makes more changes so advertisers won't be running back and he hasn't started charging for the blue tick yet so he can't even monetise it even if the increase in traffic is true.



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  • Posts: 13,753 ✭✭✭✭ Davis Salmon Scumbag



    AOC continues to run rings around the Dear Leader.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,770 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    I suspect Twitter will be a very interesting place next week after the Dems lose both houses and a former President announces he is rerunning for election.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,779 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    I dont understand why people think advertisers WILL be running back - if they're worried about being cancelled, they're still going to be worried.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • Posts: 276 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    It's at the point where there was serious academic discussion in Canada about planning for how they'd deal with a scenario where the US really went into complete meltdown.

    Twitter may only be the canary (or whatever kind of bird it is) in the mine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,388 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Really good article here about what Chris Sacca thinks about the way things are being handled


    whathttps://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2022/11/07/twitter-investor-chris-sacca-says-elon-musk-is-alone-right-now.html

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,067 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko




  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,837 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    There are multiple things at play.

    Advertising spend will be decreasing across the board as the economies around the world tighten up so companies are going to want to be very sure about the return on any spend they do make.

    If Twitter is unable to properly moderate the content then no advertiser is going to want their company/products appearing on the same page as some really nasty stuff posted by some troll.

    On the flip side , if the "pay for blue check-mark" thing actually launches and a reasonable number of people actually sign up for it then potentially that's a plus for advertisers as you would assume that Twitter would have much better data about a paid up member than a random anonymous one making it easier to prove Ad value etc.

    Now that is a huge "maybe" as it doesn't seem remotely clear how/when/if they are going to implement this nor if anyone will actually be interested in paying for it.

    On balance there doesn't seem to be any easy way for Musk to drive increased ad revenue in the short to medium term and he has just saddled the company with a 20 fold increase in their debt repayments so his chances of making the company profitable are pretty darn slim.



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    I love how those here to applauded him for free speech are now going so quiet when he’s actively blocking people just because he take the piss out of him a little bit.

    What a sad, pathetic little man.



  • Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 78,464 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    Overheal threadbanned



  • Posts: 45,738 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Tesla share price tanking.

    Their share holders must be looking on in horror at the Twitter takeover disaster.



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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,837 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Also interesting to see that the volume of shares traded is way up in the last week or so.

    Current stock price is back to where it was 2 years ago , which was just shortly after the share price started to go nuts.

    Prior to early 2020 the Tesla stock price had been bouncing along in the mid to high teens and then around March it went wild , hitting over $200 by the end of the year and getting to nearly twice that by the end of 2021.

    I can absolutely see a scenario where the Tesla stock keeps declining back down to the mid double digits - ~$50 or so , which would actually be a more reasonable reflection of P/E and market share etc.

    The impact that would have on Musks ability to pay the bill for Twitter would be catastrophic.

    No wonder Tesla share-holders are suing him for being an "absentee landlord" as it were.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 398 ✭✭jimmybobbyschweiz


    Musk is the emporer with no clothes. There are plenty of them that rose to prominence during the 10s boom years (Cathy Wood for instance, ironically just a Musk fangirl), but there was never anything particularly impressive about Musk's Tesla company and it was vastly overvalued in comparison to the more traditional car companies that only the blind could claim that the valuation was justified.

    I always maintained that Musk and his ventures got popular because the Tony Stark movie character was also popular during the same time as Musk was getting popular and Musk's fans / believers saw him as some sort of Tony Stark with what he was doing. That is the most simple explanation I can come up with for how Musk got so popular the last ten years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    That sounds terrible, what did he do?

    But before your reply, let us repeat the mantras of the last five years: freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequences, there's no such thing as cancel culture and a private company can choose who gets to use their platforms

    With that in mind, pray continue.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,837 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Tesla was a stone in the shoe of the car industry. They were the irritant that forced the Industry to move faster in the shift towards EV's and that was a good thing.

    They created a market and hype around Electric cars and made them "cool" etc. but they were never ever going to be able to compete with the heavy hitters once they got going.

    People got caught up in the hype and exploded the stock price , but the bald reality is that once GM, Ford , Toyota and Nissan etc. got rolling on EV's that was always going to be that for Tesla.

    The big guns just have too much experience and heft in the basics of volume manufacturing - Supply chain , Quality , Time to Market and so on.

    There are multiple better options out there now for each Tesla model and the volume will go with the big players.

    Tesla may survive , but they will be a niche player , like a Jaguar or similar - Nice cars targeting a certain buyer but not a volume player anywhere.

    The Stock price is starting to reflect that impending reality.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,876 ✭✭✭bokale


    Exactly! People seemed to think Musk was gonna #freespeech it up when he took over and reinstate Trump and the boys.

    Maybe he will, but so far it's not working out that way.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,067 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,361 ✭✭✭joseywhales


    So I can attest to the fact that code lives in human brains not in text files. If you end up in a situation with a calcified mountain of code that everyone is afraid to refactor because they can't possible be subject matter experts on all code, well then the job will be a nightmare and break will grow exponentially. Coders will start accumulating targeted hotfix on top of hotfix as they can't get the time to really analyse the whole system.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,837 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    And when you bounce loads of coders with almost no warning , there will be next to no documentation and updates will either take way longer than they should or they will break things because the dependencies weren't fully documented etc.



  • Posts: 24,207 ✭✭✭✭ Melany CoolS Salami


    Very interesting. I noticed bits of loss of functionality over recent days. This explains it.



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  • Posts: 24,207 ✭✭✭✭ Melany CoolS Salami


    I bet Russian hackers are have a celebration party ahead of a potential major site attack on Twitter. With so many staff gone I bet there are chinks in the armour.



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