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U.N Cuban Blockade Vote

  • 05-11-2022 12:17am
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    Registered Users Posts: 316 ✭✭


    Surprised no discussion about yesterdays U.N vote on the economic embargo on Cuba, which is going into its 30th year.


    185 votes in favour of ending the embargo, with 2 against and 2 abstaining. Hardly surprising the 4 nations of the U.S, Israel, Ukraine and Brazil either against it or abstaining from the vote.


    Kind of goes against the U.S governments rational of looking out for the Cuban peoples economic well being when they are sanctioning the country to the tune of 6.35 billion a year.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl




  • Registered Users Posts: 316 ✭✭lizzyjane


    When Castro freed the people of Cuba from American hegemony in the revolution he was a hero in his country and continues to be remembered as one today.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 37,041 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Is he? I was there and I see no reason to remember him as a hero given how many Cubans have had to emigrate. I think it's much more likely that the imagery of the man has been appropriate to legitimise the government after he died.

    That said, the blockade is utterly depraved and must end.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



  • Registered Users Posts: 316 ✭✭lizzyjane


    For a third world country under constant siege from the most powerful country on the planet the Cubans done ok, you wont get into debt in Havana if you are unfortunate enough to get sick.


    This vote just cements the U.S as a pariah/rogue state along with the likes of Russia,Saudi Arabia, Israel and North Korea.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    Does OP actually give a sh*t about Cubans or is he/she here Mick Wallacing? That's rhetorical by the way, we know it's the latter.

    Maybe the OP would like to lecture Cubans in Florida how to feel about the matter. Embargo is overwhelmingly popular among Cuban-Americans. Any candidate who promises to tighten it gets the significant Cuban vote in Florida (a key swing state).




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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    Yeah pesky people from a communist country says it sucks but some know better 😂 I always wounder about we have not got it right yet crowd. communism never works. We actually if the goal is full state control murder on massive scale and stealing of cash then it works marvellously.



  • Registered Users Posts: 316 ✭✭lizzyjane


    Quite false, the majority, nearly 80% of Cubans in Florida believed the embargo did not work and were opposed to it. Although it has gained in popularity the last few years with the latest poll by Florida University saying 49% opposed the Embargo.

    But lets ignore that every country on the planet is against this bar Israel.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,465 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout



    If the OP's history of posting in the Russia thread was anything to go by then, no they don't care about Cubans, they just see them as a useful device to criticise the USA with. I'd imagine it's a bonus for them that Ukraine supported the USA in this vote so they can accuse them of being complicit.



  • Registered Users Posts: 316 ✭✭lizzyjane


    Surely they warrant criticism for this?


    Btw Ukraine abstained from the vote, they did not support it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,786 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    So what? Why should the views of Cubans in Florida should dictate whether the nation of Cuba remains under an illegal embargo? One that the overwhelming majority of the world disagrees with (as evidenced by the UN vote and more), but because Cuban immigrants to the US (who would be biased against Cuba anyways having emigrated from it) decide that they want an embargo to make life increasingly more difficult for Cuban in Cuba - what, its now justified?

    Why do you feel that the opinions of Cubans in Florida should trump that of Cubans in Cuba, and of the entire UN general assembly?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    No one gives a sh*t about your Kremlinite fellating nihilism. We're all sick of of the fascist rimjob giving tools that have infested the forum since the war.

    Find a hobby, make something of your life. Start a family or build something worthwhile. But for f*ck sake, stop boring us all to tears and pretending you don't have a fascistic tapeworm lodged in your skull.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    How would anyone know what the opinion of Cubans in Cuba would be? They've been under the autocratic yoke of the Communist Party for over half a century.

    A good guide is the ones that got the f*ck out and live in Florida. But you want to ignore them and listen to twats like Roger Waters isntead.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    Btw, the US restricts neither food nor medical goods being traded with Cuba. Nobody is being starved or deprived of essential goods. You're essentially asking a capitalist state to give it all the consumer goodies necessary to make communism not so sh*t.

    For everything else, they can make do with their sh*tbag pals in Beijing and Moscow until they get their act together. Their economy is dogsh*t because it's centrally planned and controlled like the Soviet Union in the 1960s and is dominated by communist dogma.

    The US (and every other country) is entitled to trade or not trade with whoever they please. I'm not a particular fan of the embargo, but it's the will of a democratic country to not trade with communist Cuba, and furthermore, it's the majority will of Cubans in exile who suffered under the regime.

    Time to grow up, if the Cuban communist party wants to keep larping like it's still 1962 they can go ahead, but the live of the people won't get better.



  • Registered Users Posts: 316 ✭✭lizzyjane


    Its quite obvious you have been conditioned from a young age for your brain to go into ultimate spastic mode when anybody questions or criticizes the U.S for there actions towards countries who they can't plunder or rule by proxy.


    Just remember the U.N vote, your in the dark here Hank and so is your beloved U.S of A.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    The US gets criticized by me and others on whatever terms they deserve to get criticized on.

    You're the chap with a faux concern for Cuba while giving yourself a reacharound as you think of Russia launching a fascist war on the European continent that has already seen God knows how many thousand dead and a sovereign country shattered.

    Spare us the palavar about Cuba not being able to get spare American auto parts when you're trying to run a "look over there!" swindle as your favourite creep embarks on a campaign of murder in Ukraine.

    We all see you, and you'll be pilliored and mocked up and down the forum until you rage-quit like all the other Putin apologist saddos before you.

    Get a pair of pliers, remove the tapeworm from your frontal lobe via your left nostril, and make something of your life.

    Don't give a sh*t about the UN vote, if the US refuses to trade with autocrat communist ballbags, they'll refuse to do so, and you'll have to cry into your Coco Pops every morning about it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl




  • Registered Users Posts: 6,786 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    Why is it all your posts seem to mention fellatio and rimjobs and "drinking Putins cum"?

    Are you incapable of having a normal discussion without resorting to homophobic insults?



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    You think fellatio, rimjobs and gargling cum is the preserve of homosexuals? I got news for you buddy...

    You're sore because you know you're being made a fool of, and instead of putting on your big boy pants and admitting you've been shilling in service of fascism, you keep on doubling down, allowing yourself to be made a further fool of. All by your own hand...



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,786 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    You cannot offer any justification for the US's embargo on Cuba and various sanctions other than it being popular with a certain minority demographic in Florida - it's a joke of an argument. Maybe that's why most of your posts are insults rather than information.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,786 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    A majority of people in the US support ending the embargo - yet the will of the American people should also be ignored in favour of a minority of Cuban defectors in Florida?

    "We must punish Cuba until they institute a democratic government"

    "We will also ignore the will of our own people who support lifting the embargo, because.. reasons"


    Also claims that the Cuban economy is "dogsh*t" because of the government and nothing to do with the massive trade embargo they are under is massively delusional. Cubans cannot import almost anything from any US MNC and even some others worldwide as a result of the embargo and other pressures exerted by the US against companies willing to sell to Cuba. Vehicles, farming equipment, all kinds of software, medical equipment - their tourist economy is also decimated from bans on cruises and other ships accessing Cuban ports.

    How would Ireland fare under the same conditions? I daresay our economy would be "dogsh*t" also despite not having a communist government. I think having massive restrictions on trade to your island has more of an impact than central planning.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    I've already done so. The US don't want to trade with communist autocratic ballbags. That's the long and the short of it. What are the Putin spooge garglers going to do about it?

    What fundamental rights do any country have to trade with their stated ideological enemy? Zero. None. They can do their business with the creeps in Beijing and Moscow. Oh wait, they're economies are rapidly turning into a river of sh*t by their own doing.

    Toodle pips.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,786 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    You're right that Cuba can trade with other countries, Beijing and Moscow. However the idea that American embargo on Cuba only affects US-Cuba trade is false. It has ramifications for many countries trade with Cuba, mainly because of (but not limited to) the below laws:

    In 1992, after the collapse of the Soviet Union, the U.S. passed the Cuban Democracy Act. The law barred vessels that had traded with Cuba in the past 180 days from docking at U.S. ports and prevented foreign subsidiaries of American companies from doing business in Cuba. Four years later, President Bill Clinton signed the Helms-Burton Act, which imposed sanctions on foreign companies that traded with Cuba.


    Companies that engage in transactions in U.S. dollars could also be subject to provisions of the embargo, Michael Touchton, an associate professor of political science at the University of Miami, said in an email. But those provisions are disincentives for non-U.S. companies – not a legally binding prohibition on foreign trade with Cuba.




  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 25,207 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    I've already done so. The US don't want to trade with communist autocratic ballbags

    This is deeply untrue though. It doesn't bother them at all in other situations. The continued blockade can, in many cases, simply be traced back to electoral politics in Florida and there is nothing more deep or intellectual about it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    It's one hundred percent true. Cuba has a pygmy centrally planned Soviet economy that hasn't changed since the 60s. It's not China. And there is very little upside in dealing with Cuba on Cuba's terms.

    I recall when Obama repproachment was underway, lunatics were crowing that American capital would ruin the socialist wonderland. The same people that prattle on about the injustice of the embargo.

    There's no winning with Cuba with some people. The US may as well just ignore the island until the regime eventually croaks. They get their food and medicines, and don't appear to be interested in the fruits of a market economy in any case.

    It's a dysfunctional country not too far removed from North Korea politically.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 25,207 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    They’re not ignoring it though. They are enforcing a deeply harmful blockade to assuage some Floridians.

    Its an utter absurdity when the US happily engages with other, far worse regimes. There is zero ideology underpinning it anymore, it’s just electoral machinations and apathy for the damage they inflict.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    It's not a blockade. They restrict trade and transactions between US entities and and Cuba. They are free to trade with any other country if they see fit. Why don't they do their business with Moscow and Beijing?

    Perhaps if Cuba didn't behave like tropical North Korea off the coast of the US, they may find a more agreeable American response.

    The US doesn't need Cuba, and they are free to not trade with any country if that is the will of the democratic process.

    It's slightly amusing that a dyed-in-the-wool communist regime opposed to the US is looking to Washington to bail it out of its moribund state. Once again, Cuba's economy is sh*thouse because it's a centrally planned Brezhnev-era joke.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,786 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    It's not a blockade. They restrict trade and transactions between US entities and and Cuba. They are free to trade with any other country if they see fit. Why don't they do their business with Moscow and Beijing?

    They aren't though - as I already pointed out above, some of the many US laws against Cuba heavily disincentivise trade with Cuba for foreign entities, and actively punish those who would trade with Cuba.

    In 1992, after the collapse of the Soviet Union, the U.S. passed the Cuban Democracy Act. The law barred vessels that had traded with Cuba in the past 180 days from docking at U.S. ports and prevented foreign subsidiaries of American companies from doing business in Cuba. Four years later, President Bill Clinton signed the Helms-Burton Act, which imposed sanctions on foreign companies that traded with Cuba.


    Companies that engage in transactions in U.S. dollars could also be subject to provisions of the embargo, Michael Touchton, an associate professor of political science at the University of Miami, said in an email. But those provisions are disincentives for non-U.S. companies – not a legally binding prohibition on foreign trade with Cuba.




  • Registered Users Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    Sucks for Cuba that the fossilized creeps of the politburo picked a fight with the economic hegemon of the hemisphere. Not the brightest idea in the world eh? The above still doesn't make it a blockade. It's even in your link dump, there is nothing legally prohibiting third-country entities trading with Cuba.

    The US is under no obligation to trade with anyone they don't want to. If the Cuban economy wasn't a 1960s moribund socialist basket case, they may have some leverage. But it is, and they don't.

    There'd be howls of mourning from the blockhead Oliver Stone left and liberal accusations of economic colonialism if the US allowed American capital to return to the island. And you know that for a fact. You'd probably be among them. There's no winning on Cuba until the regime pisses off for good.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,786 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    If the US dont want to trade with Cuba thats fine. However a majority of their citizen do infact want to trade with Cuba. So the democratic US is ignoring the will of its people in favour of a small subset of Cuban emigrants living mostly in Florida and New York.

    However what the US is doing to Cuba is much more than just not trading with them. The port bans and financial penalties for shipping and other companies trading with Cuba, regardless of nationality (i.e not US companies) is a blockade in all but name. Stopping ships from being allowed to dock in US ports for 180 days if they stopped in Cuba - what else do you call that?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    The US stop precisely zero cargo ships from landing in Cuba, nor do they have the power to do so. They present shipping companies with a choice though, and the shipping companies and entities make their choice as they see fit.

    Circling back, probably best not pick a fight with a country you have no leverage against, that's on the autocrats in Havana, and it's in their power to change it.

    The US doesn't do foreign policy by opinion poll. Nor does any other country I'm aware of. Every Presidential candidate since dot has weighed-in behind the embargo (with the qualified exception of Obama, abandoned after Cuban shenanigans), and people know who they're voting for. That's democracy.

    You lot are hardcore international relations realists when it comes to Russian scumbaggery, but suffer a brainfade when you see a textbook case of realist (and non lethal) foreign policy implemented by the US.



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