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Random EV thoughts.....

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66,631 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    It's a great EV, and the base model is superb value for money at about €40k. But it is a good level down from the Model Y in terms of being premium and it is nowhere near as good to drive. Love the look of them though, fantastic design.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,101 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Not even AWD? Only 300km WLTP?

    Doesnt even seem to have cruise control. What nonsense.

    I'd love an electric pickup, probably one of the few that would pay 6 figures for an F150 lightning if they sold it here, but not for that tat



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 19,812 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    I think us early adopters benefitted a number of times especially if you had multiple imports, no VRT on import (even for my S with a well crafted letter of appeal), free public charging, free SuC on Tesla imports, very low depreciation when selling on/modest profit and finally when COVID/The Ukraine hit pretty large profits on our pre Brexit imports which made cost to change negligible.

    It's an era that will not be repeated, I had pretty much free cars and fuel for guts of 4 years



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66,631 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Yeah normally early adopters (technically we were pioneers for years until recently enough) pay a high price for early access to new stuff, but we most certainly didn't.

    At one point, I think back in about 2018, I was afraid those super low (or even negative) depreciation rates were not going to last and I was contemplating selling my near 2 year old Ioniq 28kWh (for as much as I bought it new) and buying a supercheap PHEV from the UK as a stop gap until EVs got a big depreciation hit. But I didn't go through with it. Thankfully as that depreciation hit never came

    In some ways, I think we are still riding this big wave. Night rate electricity is still many times cheaper than petrol / diesel. And if you bought an EV cleverly right now, you'd still have very little, zero or even negative depreciation. Particularly on the low end EV stuff like early Leafs



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,104 ✭✭✭wassie


    That Maxus T9 ute is currently sold in NZ and shortly Aus as the eT60 under the LDV brand (this & Maxus are both owned by SAIC Motor) for around AUD$65-70k driveaway estimated (€45k equivilent). Makes the €60K + VAT price look like complete BS.

    John Cadogan breaks the numbers down/

    TLDR;

    • Tiny payload / towing capacity when calculating actual capacities
    • Poor range (real world range closer to 250km / Towing range 130km)
    • Charging (5% -> 100%) 13.5hrs @ 7.4kW (80kw max DC)
    • 2WD




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,547 ✭✭✭JohnC.


    Looks like the UK is about to drop the VED exemption for EVs. It's expected in the upcoming autumn statement, according to the FT. Nothing in their article about what it might cost.


    Paywalled




  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 19,812 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    Those pickups are a waste, I had my eyes open for a F150 EV during recent trip to States but didn’t see one, did see a Rivian but unfortunately no opportunity to stop and oggle it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,257 ✭✭✭✭ted1




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,397 ✭✭✭Fingleberries


    For Irish Ferries (Dublin-Holyhead route), there was no cost to book a charger when I travelled this week. It was a €0 add-on.

    The charge you get appears to depend on how many vehicles are plugged in - yesterday, with a full ferry and all charge points in use, my Model 3 SR+ went from 50% up to 75% on the 3.5-ish hour journey (approx 15kWh). Loads to get me to my destination.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,164 ✭✭✭redlead


    What's people's general experience been of wait times? A dealer is telling me 10 months for a Q4 E-Tron. Will that realistically turn into 14 months plus as I am assuming there is a bullsh1t factor built into their estimates. It seems so hard to actually buy something that isn't a Tesla.



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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,159 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    It’s correct. Look at the amount of people waiting on i4’s from BMW. At least a 12 month wait.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,986 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    It depends on the car, something like a Q4 E-tron is being produced in fairly small numbers, so the wait time could be fairly accurate

    On the other hand, there's several people have recently walked into a VW dealership, gotten a cancelled order and had their car within a week


    So it really depends on how flexible you are on what car you want. If you've your heart set on the Q4 then you may have to wait, but if you ring around dealerships then you might get lucky

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,021 ✭✭✭✭CoBo55


    Technical question. When charging your car on AC is the voltage stepped up to 400 and then rectified to DC by the onboard control unit? I'm assuming a public DC charger does this at the station and there's 400V DC at the end of the cable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,313 ✭✭✭zg3409


    Yes. The on board charger takes in 7/11/22kW and charges the main high voltage battery by DC

    On public DC chargers they supply DC direct to the cars battery however the car always decides on the maximum charging rate and the car measures the voltage and temperature of every cell to ensure no cell is every overcharged nor overheated. When car is nearly full the car will tell the DC charger to slow the charging rate to a trickle. You can monitor each cells temperature and voltage yourself on many cars using an app and an odb Bluetooth interface. If battery temperature is in ideal range car can charge quicker do teslas preheat/ precool the battery on the way to the charger for maximum charging rates.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,159 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    There was a bit of talk last week about EV fires etc

    I just got this months copy of the IFE journal and there’s some interesting reading.

    Thought you might be interested.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,986 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Very interesting, didn't know about the potential explosion risk of Lithium batteries

    I do still think that EVs are safer then ICE cars in terms of fire risk, and I believe the statistics still back this up

    However there's definitely a gap in training and equipment to deal with an EV fire. Hopefully it gets addressed soon as we're seeing more and more EVs on the market and even at a lower risk per car that will mean more EV fires.

    And since every EV fire becomes a national sensation, there needs to be very clear safety messaging around it

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,159 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    I agree, EV fires are very very rare in comparison it when they do occur they are long lasting, hot and very unforgiving.

    Technology, Training and awareness on how to deal with them is badly required.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,104 ✭✭✭wassie


    Thanks @Gumbo - interesting read as this is an area that is still evolving - as the article states - by the amount of research this is currently underway.

    Certainly challenging for Designers and Fire & Building Control authorities alike around the world, knowing that the design of compliant buildings today, especially multi-level & basement carparks, may not fit for purpose in the an all EV future (with regards to fire safety).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66,631 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Not with LiFePO4 batteries. They just vent, you won't get any fire or explosion. That's why all EVs really should have this chemistry.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,986 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    The report seemed to say that under the right circumstances LFP batteries could vent explosive gases. Not really sure what those conditions were and if they're ever likely to be met in real world conditions

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66,631 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    It's the cobalt in most lithium batteries that can cause combustion. No cobalt in LiFePO4 cells, no combustion. Just venting. Smells nasty though 😁



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,986 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Stop cutting batteries open to see how they smell! 😉😂

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,159 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    Its not for us to restrict Unkel's Only Fans income Genre.....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66,631 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Was an experiment to see how an already very bloated Pylontech pack would behave under full load. It didn't end well 😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,510 ✭✭✭cannco253




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,101 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Did you wire it incorrectly? (presuming you've seen the YT videos about problematic pylontech issues and the youtuiber being accused of that)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66,631 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Yes of course I wired it correctly 😂


    There was nothing to wire anyway, have you ever opened a Pylontech? Both positive and negative terminals have a double thick cable coming out of them terminated in a double XT90 connector. The cables are more than thick enough for the current they will ever carry

    The Pylontechs are rated for just C/2 continuous and I probably pushed them to a bit beyond that at about 1C (but nowhere near the limit of the cables). And the pack was already badly compromised. So it couldn't take no more and started venting like a maniac after about an hour on full load 😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,986 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Next experiment: Will it blend? 😂

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,576 ✭✭✭eagerv




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  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,012 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk




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