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So "X" - nothing to see here. Elon's in control - Part XXX

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,311 ✭✭✭lmao10


    I didn't realise blocking people was enhancing free speech. oookaay. You also don't really have free speech to post here do you, according to some definitions as there are plenty of things you simply can't say for fear of being banned... thankfully.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,876 ✭✭✭bokale


    Right or wrong he should probably get to work and show he can deliver some of his promises.

    Even if Trump has some contractual agreement with truth social, Musk needs to reinstate his account.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 29,818 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    I never knew it was so easy to "manipulate" multi-billion dollar companies. Should try it more often.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,771 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    Paskalis was grandstanding, probably trying to get a reduced rate for his clients.

    There have been no changes in Twitters moderation since the takeover, this has been confirmed by multiple staff.

    Yoel Roth, Twitter’s head of Safety & Integrity, also chimed in to assure users the company’s “core moderation capabilities remain in place” despite the layoffs, which he says impacted 15% of the Trust and Safety team.


    He also gave an explanation for Bloomberg’s report that only 15 staffers had access to content moderation tools, citing security reasons, and claimed “more than 80% of our incoming content moderation volume was completely unaffected by this access change.”




  • Posts: 6,775 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    As I said, people can block whomever they wish. Blocking someone doesn't stop that person from expressing their speech; it just means that someone else doesn't want to hear it. Is that finally clear? Good.

    What matters is equal speech - having a platform that offers equal opportunity to reasonable ideas from left, centre, and right of the political spectrum.

    We can have this, whilst simultaneously having moderation in place to tackle incitement to violence, bullying, and all the rest etc.

    The two are mutually exclusive. You can have both at the same time.

    Who is seriously going to argue against that?

    The people arguing that Musk is opening some imaginary floodgates to evil are just repeating baseless, almost paranoid nonsense. It's a fiction; a conspiracy theory invented to scare people, nothing more.

    Our side of the argument is saying let's have diversity of opinion, no discrimination against any one stream of political commentary, and a progressive approach to speech that does not lead to censorship. All free thinking people are in favour of this. It's almost a truism.



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  • Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 78,464 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    RobbieTheRobber threadbanned



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Right?

    Twitter at one point was full of people throwing away and setting fire to their coffee machines because they used their free speech to stop advertising on a program (on the right) that was reaching in its efforts to defend someone accused of sexual assault who was running for office.

    Not only did Keurig never resume advertising on that program, but many advertisers followed suit (see: Brand Safety) but they're still as popular as ever and only grew in subsequent years -- Keurig now the market king of coffee products with 24% of all pods sold in the US being Green Mountain (Keurig) brand pods, ahead of Starbucks, Dunkin, McDonalds, and secondary brands. https://www.thecommonscafe.com/keurig-changing-the-coffee-industry/#:~:text=Keurig%20Green%20Mountain%20is%20the,combined%20market%20share%20of%2038%25.

    I think people should be more specific when they suggest how brands are being manipulated. Musk has only been on the controls for a week, and I didn't happen upon any popular campaigns to call up such and such brand to boycott them - unless they were posts from MAGA personalities complaining the likes of GM etc. made their own choice to pull their ads; I've yet to see any evidence GM was the target of a lefty campaign to shame them off the site.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,311 ✭✭✭lmao10


    Did you read my post at all? You know... the one you replied to?



  • Posts: 6,775 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Yes, I did - and I directly answered your point at the very beginning. Check the post again, thanks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Imagine accusing Paskalis of grandstanding when we look at the very thing he was responding to which was pure grandstanding. Literally.

    "acting or speaking in a way intended to attract the good opinion of other people who are watching" - Cambridge


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,396 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    It went to court as he was sued. It had a judge. The judge advised them (I would suggest in a court room setting) to get together and get the deal done otherwise it would go to a full trial. Where they hinted Musk would more then likely loose so Musk and do go back tail between his legs and pay the full price. So yes it initially did go to court but Musk decided to cut his loses as he had to buy. He was forced to go through with it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,311 ✭✭✭lmao10


    You didn't seem to respond to the post and instead went into some weird diatribe but cheers anyway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,876 ✭✭✭bokale


    Think we need a separate thread on the "equal speech" thing. Surely off topic for Elon and his free speech desires.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,841 ✭✭✭TomTomTim


    It's probably the biggest lie I've seen on this thread, which says a lot. The left are completly open about using boycotts and putting pressure on companies to get their way. It's not some hidden tactic, it's literally something they take pride in. A good chunk of the deniers here have done the same to boards management for years, always crying wolf in the name of getting the outcome that they want.

    If history isn't enough of a precedent, then this should do:

    SAN FRANCISCO (KGO) -- Representatives from organizations including GLAAD, the Anti-Defamation League and Voto Latino are escalating their message to advertisers and asking them to pull ads from Twitter amid massive layoffs at the San Francisco-based company.

    They've started the #StopToxicTwitter campaign with a coalition that includes more than 60 civil rights and civil society groups.

    Those involved with the campaign said Musk's layoffs make it impossible for the company to uphold brand safeguards and content moderation standards.

    It's not happening though, nothing is, when your reality is shaped by what suits you and not what is.

    “The man who lies to himself can be more easily offended than anyone else. You know it is sometimes very pleasant to take offense, isn't it? A man may know that nobody has insulted him, but that he has invented the insult for himself, has lied and exaggerated to make it picturesque, has caught at a word and made a mountain out of a molehill--he knows that himself, yet he will be the first to take offense, and will revel in his resentment till he feels great pleasure in it.”- ― Fyodor Dostoevsky, The Brothers Karamazov




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,396 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    I would suggest to read what you posted does not mean what you think



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    If the case was likely never going ahead then it would have died on motion to dismiss. It didn't:

    Had the case been more likely than not to fail on its own merits, the judge would have clearly agreed with the motion to dismiss but that's not what occurred at all, instead judge sided with the plaintiff and issued bench order to complete the deal.

    Over the summer Musk tried to argue that 'disclosure about bots' are why he had cold feet but again - he signed a binding agreement, and according to the lawsuit filed by twitter, affirmatively waived his right of due diligence.



  • Posts: 6,775 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I'm merely putting into my own words what Elon Musk wants to achieve with this platform.

    Different phrases, same outcome.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    This is activity that reportedly just started happening and not evident of any boycott campaign launched ahead of Musk's remarks.

    And is this really "activism?" Calling the Anti Defamation League activists for example. I think that's stretching the picture being painted in the thread of a bunch of screaming liberals demanding a boycott because Elon hurt their feelings. These organization are adults and carefully address mature topics, like the Holocaust.

    "Given the actions in the past few days and especially the mass layoffs today, it's become clear that he's not going to continue to moderate content or at least not to the effect necessary so we are calling for a global pause on ads," said Jessica J. González, co-CEO of Free Press.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,876 ✭✭✭bokale


    Let's just stick to Elon's words. He can freely speak for himself on twitter... no need for us boardsies to pretend we speak for him.

    Elon is fighting the free speech fight. #freespeech



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,274 ✭✭✭BruteStock


    He wasn't forced. That will never be an accepted mainstream opinion because its absurd. For one a deal isn't a legally binding contract. Secondly that article posted a few pages back claimed musk would build his defence for withdrawing on having a change of heart. Here;

    "If Musk were to abandon a bid simply because he felt he overpaid, Twitter could sue him for billions in damages in addition to collecting the $1 billion"

    That false premise is what the biased article is built on. No surprise its CNN. Musk had a clear case for withdrawing due to Twitter security issues. There are the facts , not biased opinions. The kicker is the man who exposed Twitters security failings was allowed by the judge to testify on Musks behalf. So Much clearly had a very strong legal defence.. But keep believing the richest man in the would surrendered without a legal fight and was forced to buy something he set out to buy in the first place.




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Also allow me to point out Pfizer

    Pfizer, Audi and General Mills have joined the list of big name companies pausing advertising on Twitter, according to the Wall Street Journal.

    If anyone thinks Pfizer gives a flying rat **** about a band of activists screaming at them - they have never met the faceless pharma industry, and I rubbish the notion presented by Musk that these brands were manipulated by shouting activists - they were manipulated by money. Tesla's own stock drop right after he tweeted that guff demonstrated that I think. I still haven't seen evidence between "the bird is freed" and "those damned activists" tweets from Elon that demonstrate the type of pressure campaign he was alluding to ever happened.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    He wasn't forced. That will never be an accepted mainstream opinion because its absurd. For one a deal isn't a legally binding contract.

    Holup,

    "The billionaire signed a legally binding agreement in April to buy the company for $54.20 a share, waiving due diligence to get the deal done quickly. The terms included a $1 billion breakup fee if the agreement fell apart and a clause that gives Twitter the right to sue Mr. Musk and force him to complete or pay for the deal, so long as the debt financing he has corralled remains intact."


    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/08/technology/elon-musk-twitter.html


    True speech!



  • Posts: 6,775 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    You say that sarcastically, as if it's a bad thing. Utterly bizarre.

    The only other people I can think of that dislike free speech and wish to clamp down on it are authoritarians.

    Funny that.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 29,818 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Whatever monetary gain they would make would be wiped out on the stock market.

    The case was to force Musk to complete the private takeover at the original offered price (which is, it can not be stressed enough, what actually ended up happening). Suggesting the benefits would have been "wiped out on the stock market" make no sense as Twitter is no longer on the stock market.

    The case didn't go ahead because there was no longer a case to take because Musk folded on absolutely everything.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,876 ✭✭✭bokale


    You're projecting now.

    But glad we agree to stick to free speech term. Progress.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Suggesting the benefits would have been "wiped out on the stock market" make no sense as Twitter is no longer on the stock market.

    I didn't understand that comment either: the terms of the binding agreement provided that Twitter would be a private company when the deal closed, as Musk was buying 100% of shares and delisting it from the exchange per the terms of the sale.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    The only other people I can think of that dislike free speech and wish to clamp down on it are authoritarians.

    Funny that.

    Another Box??? How industrious.



  • Posts: 2,264 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Any examples of the kind of "free speech" or "equal speech" that isn't currently allowed on Twitter but you think should be? Genuinely curious.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,071 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    More than a business owner if you listen to himself and his fanboys, he's going to save the world by finding another planet to destroy, save our cities by inventing tunnels, save public discourse by saving 'free speech' to all Trump to lie to the Proud Boys again - he certainly sees himself as a leader, so you'd expect to live up to his 'free speech' principles.

    In reality, he does this:


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,876 ✭✭✭bokale


    .

    I won't weigh in on the "equal speech" as I think it's a made up term only used by one person.

    But on free speech, trump probably was fine being on twitter? Was the banning necessary?

    Like at the time he was speaking from the white house, and leading his fans to drink bleach, I'm not sure banning him from twitter saved any of them.



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