Attempted Kidnapping of Nancy Pelosi & Assault of Paul Pelosi

xxxxxxl · 02-11-2022 1:39am

Soooo Has this turned out to be none political at this stage ? Very nutty fella by all account all over the place.

Akrasia · 02-11-2022 1:42am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119819712#Comment_119819712

What are you reading for?

Akrasia · 02-11-2022 1:43am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119822128#Comment_119822128

He was as Maga as they come. At least own your lunatics

xxxxxxl · 02-11-2022 1:45am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119822133#Comment_119822133

I'm not Canadian or American thanks.

Real Donald Trump · 02-11-2022 1:49am

This guy has nothing to do with Trump, but yet people want to drag his name into this for some bizarre reason, I guess TDS syndrome is definitely real. Grow up, Morons!

xxxxxxl · 02-11-2022 1:54am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119822145#Comment_119822145

If all the stuff is true he seems to just like extreme groups. On both ends of the spectrum. Complete nutter.

Tell me how · 02-11-2022 2:53am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119819712#Comment_119819712

Tell me you waded in to the discussion with an opinion already formed without telling me you wade in to discussions with an opinion already formed.

Tell me how · 02-11-2022 5:24am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119822145#Comment_119822145

Sure Jan.

https://twitter.com/MeidasTouch/status/1587606942267998209

TDS is people still trying to deflect from the impact this guy has had on the US political space, and beyond.

Fr Tod Umptious · 02-11-2022 9:27am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119822202#Comment_119822202

I looked at the OP, saw how long it was but didn't read it.

Then saw a post from the original poster saying to another poster "if you read my post..."

So that made me curious about how long the actual OP was.

So I copied the text and put it in Google docs and did a word count, that came out at 1,416

I've no interest in the topic, but I wonder about the poster if they really expect people to fully read a 1,416 word post.

breezy1985 · 02-11-2022 9:39am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119822145#Comment_119822145

So if a lone wolf Muslim commits a terrorist attack should we just call him mentally deranged and not link it to all the rhetoric that ISIS or whoever spout.

foxsake · 02-11-2022 10:57am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119819798#Comment_119819798

yes a BLM & LGBT flag waving hero - straight out the trump base ..really?

As for what his statement to the cops said ...well let just say this - it would be a brave citizen that exposed the Pelosi's

with her being the 3rd highest ranked person in the USA structure and he being the undisputed GOAT of wall street.

I'm sure its' not just the clintons who make things uncomfortable for their enemies.

TomTomTim · 02-11-2022 11:51am

At least several of these terrorists, or whatever you want to call them, have had mixed political views, often so mixed that they make no sense, which likely reflects the mind of the person, a not so stable mind. Yet the hacks are out as usual, laying all the blame on one side, when the blame, if there is any, certainly isn't one sided.

marieholmfan · 02-11-2022 11:54am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119822456#Comment_119822456

That is pretty weird.

Fr Tod Umptious · 02-11-2022 12:01pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119823005#Comment_119823005

What that someone would have a 1,416 word OP ?

It's seriously long, and really doesn't adhere itself to being fully read and digested.

marieholmfan · 02-11-2022 12:39pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119823033#Comment_119823033

You're both seriously weird.

Theboinkmaster · 02-11-2022 12:42pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119818274#Comment_119818274

Assume the husband was caught with a male prostitute? He called the cops after some disagreement etc.?

He assailant was obviously there by invitation.

foxsake · 02-11-2022 12:56pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119823232#Comment_119823232

for sure - the cop radio chatter actually referred to him as a "friend" to which one cop replied "i'm confused"

I am on the side that it's a personal matter

Gentlemanne · 02-11-2022 12:57pm

There is literally no evidence of this gay prostitute thing nor any of the claims surrounding it, just another typical thing the same gullible mega credulous dullards who think the 2020 election was stolen all agree to just accept as fact to distract from more rightwing conspiratorial political violence.

Tell me how · 02-11-2022 1:20pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119822456#Comment_119822456

So you didn't read it, have no interest in the topic, but still feel you need to get involved? Ok then.

The OP made an effort to post as much context around the topic as they could, surely that's to be appreciated even if not read.

Tell me how · 02-11-2022 1:27pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119822994#Comment_119822994

Please explain how Pelosi, his wife or her party are to blame for this event.

The 'both sides' argument has a situation pointing out that where one side stormed the capitol attempting to prevent the appointing of a democratically elected President being equated with having misgivings about possible Russia interference in the election process while still conceded that you lost that election. These are not the same thing.

Neither side is perfect, but that doesn't mean they are automatically equally behaving inappropriately.

02-11-2022 1:50pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119822145#Comment_119822145

I think you left out an 'm' in the middle of Morons.

TomTomTim · 02-11-2022 1:59pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119823429#Comment_119823429

I never said they were. As usual, you're putting words in peoples mouths. I meant in regard to laying ideological blame, which both sides are doing.

A Democrat recently killed a young man because he was a "right wing extremist", a Republican politician was shot only a few years ago for similar reasons. There was the firebombing of the detention center by some lunatic who claimed to be an Antifa member, and the case of the disabled teen who was kidnapped and tortured and forced to say "**** trump", and "**** white people". And those are the ones just off the top of my head, so save your holier than thou nonsense, as it only shows how rose tinted your glasses are.

Overheal · 02-11-2022 4:56pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119821258#Comment_119821258

The irony of this whingy post that only attempts to politicize and smear.

The OP dealt exclusively with the straight facts of the case.

You clearly thus far have been unable to refute those facts - best to sit in the corner and complain that it's my fault Nancy Pelosi was targeted by the same right wing rhetoric that's been getting called out for months (and years) as efforts to drive Stochastic Terrorism. It's surely my fault the man confessed to being wrapped up in these staunchly anti-democrat party grievances driven by the right, so far that he wanted to break her kneecaps and have her wheeled into congress as a chilling political message. That's a fact.

Just last night, another Democrat politician running for a state position was attacked and bloodied at his home. I'm sure there's no relation huh

https://www.salon.com/2022/11/01/connect-the-dots-pennsylvania-democrat-attacked-at-his-home-days-after-pelosi_partner/

Theboinkmaster · 02-11-2022 4:58pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119823292#Comment_119823292

I think it's the most logical explanation - the man was there by invite.

How would a man in his underwear, armed with a hammer, break into the house of the 3rd most powerful person in the US government? And there is no CCTV footage?

Overheal · 02-11-2022 5:02pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119824855#Comment_119824855

If he was there by invite why shatter the glass.

There's nothing logical to your theory.

See post #9 in this thread.

Try reading the thread.

Theboinkmaster · 02-11-2022 5:05pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119824864#Comment_119824864

I have read the thread. How does the house have no alarm or working CCTV? some of the details here don't add up.

Secret Service would ensure her house was well secured, even if she's not home.

Overheal · 02-11-2022 5:07pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119823573#Comment_119823573

North Dakota Highway Patrol Capt. Bryan Niewind told Fox News Digital earlier that there was "no evidence" suggesting that the teenager was part of a "Republican extremist group" or that the incident was politically driven.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/shannon-brandt-intends-fully-defend-himself-against-murder-charge-cayler-ellingsons-death-lawyer

There appears to be some doubt this man killed anybody over an issue of political extremism.

Whatever about the baseball shooting (by a Bernie supporter), it was one of the very, very few times my Congressman (R) spoke out against stochastic violence and political rhetoric. And then again, he continued to whistle past every graveyard post that date if it was an attack on a Democrat. He still hasn't said a peep about the assault on Pelosi. He never said anything about the MAGA bomber either. And he was at that baseball game. He was shot at. Last november he even voted No on a house resolution condemning violent rhetoric of politicians.

I don't know how you fix it then. The people most likely to be shot and killed by this rhetorizing are the same ones happy to carry on with it.

02-11-2022 5:11pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119822145#Comment_119822145

You have written nearly 1000 posts using the name Real Donald Trump, and you're telling people to grow up because, in your mind, they have a fixation on Donald Trump.

Do you see anything odd about that?

Overheal · 02-11-2022 5:14pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119824881#Comment_119824881

My house doesn't have alarms or CCTV - Why do I need CCTV watching me scratch my ass, make eggs, take a ****, have a ****?

Are you saying you know for a fact there's no CCTV either way? I haven't seen a report they lacked CCTV. I've only seen Megyn Kelly giving out she'd love to see the CCTV so maybe they had it.

Are they obligated to show it to us? Wouldn't that give the public intimate details about the layout of the Pelosi home, making it less challenging for someone to pull off an attack there?

You've abandoned the point there about why he smashed the glass in if he was invited so.

Overheal · 02-11-2022 6:04pm

Apropos to 'both sidesing' this attack

Republican strategist goes on TV to discuss how folks like him have the "original sin" on this issue

https://www.mediaite.com/politics/regretful-republican-strategist-sounds-the-alarm-on-political-violence-im-scared-of-whats-going-to-happen-next/

Appearing on Tuesday’s Alex Wagner Tonight, former Republican National Committee Communications Director Doug Heye said he bears some responsibility for helping foster the current political climate. [...]

“It’s been a time-honored tradition for Republicans to use San Francisco and New York City where you are, Washington of course, where I am, as shorthand for coastal elites and things like that.”

Heye then recounted a RNC meeting he participated in on the day Democratic Rep. Gabby Giffords was shot and wounded in 2011:

The call, as I remember it, was one of really somber tones, making sure that the statements we put out, whether it was from Republican National Committee or from John Boehner’s office – he being now the new speaker of the House that point – that we set the right tone and say the right things. And this is also the really important part: that we make it clear… to our members, members of the House Republican conference or… the 168 members of the Republican National Committee to not say anything inflammatory, to frankly not say anything stupid.

Heye then contrasted that with some Republicans’ response to the Pelosi attack:

It’s a punchline for some Republicans or some of the so-called conservative pundits who dabble in selling vitamin supplements on TV [Alex Jones]. And the My Pillow-ization of the Republican Party and so forth. That’s unfortunate and that’s why I hope more Republicans will speak up.

He referred to a Wapo op ed he wroteon this topic, here's the link (free): https://wapo.st/3UlCZHg

“As I said in the piece, I think we have original sin here,” Heye continued. “Part of that is our language towards Barack Obama, Michelle Obama for that matter as well, and the questioning of citizenship and religion, and so forth. And then also, obviously, with Donald Trump in what alternately culminated in Jan. 6. I think Republicans should be more mindful of that.”

He later added, “I’m scared of what’s going to happen next.”

https://wapo.st/3UlCZHg

Overheal · 03-11-2022 12:02am

Live speech of POTUS about the attack

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJfFPaKiew4

xxxxxxl · 03-11-2022 1:44am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119826574#Comment_119826574

lol why was ladies and gentlemen muted. 🤣

xxxxxxl · 03-11-2022 1:49am

updating as I watch sorry about this. Joe has it right both sides.

Edit Joe does the right thing appeals to all Americans Republican or Democrat. This is what needed. It's a very good speech so far.

Edit he's nailing it of the people by the people.

BattleCorp · 03-11-2022 12:48pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119824846#Comment_119824846

Just last night, another Democrat politician running for a state position was attacked and bloodied at his home. I'm sure there's no relation huh

Strange how there was no political violence whatsoever in the US before Trump came along. Oh wait................

03-11-2022 1:12pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119824915#Comment_119824915

With respect, you are not the third most powerful person in the United States.

Don't you find it somewhat slightly bizarre that, in the current febrile political climate in the US, that the third most powerful person in the US did not have CCTV or alarms at their house - the most rudimentary forms of security and, given their vast wealth, it wasn't exactly beyond their means to install it.

Penn · 03-11-2022 1:20pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119828024#Comment_119828024

The Pelosi house does have CCTV, and the tapes are being reviewed. However it wasn't actively being monitored at the time because Nancy Pelosi wasn't there.

ohnonotgmail · 03-11-2022 1:22pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119828024#Comment_119828024

How do you know they don't?

03-11-2022 1:29pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119828063#Comment_119828063

It's very unusual that a weird man like that could readily access the home of the 3rd most powerful person in the US, without alarms going off - especially in the prevailing climate since January 4, 2021.

Penn · 03-11-2022 1:39pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119828092#Comment_119828092

Again, because Nancy Pelosi herself (the 3rd most powerful person in the US) wasn't there, there was little-to-no security, and CCTV wasn't being actively monitored. The house also doesn't have huge grounds etc, it's located in a very built-up area and just off the public street/footpath.

03-11-2022 1:42pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119828139#Comment_119828139

But presumably that's not sufficient.

Even if the house was empty, there is always a risk to the property of Nancy Pelosi - even from arson, given the hatred that some MAGA supporters have for her.

There were always risks to her husband, too, as we have just seen.

Moreover, the lunatic who entered the home presumably didn't know that Pelosi wasn't there, yet entered anyway.

I think the risks are too high only to have security when Pelosi was there.

ohnonotgmail · 03-11-2022 1:56pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119828154#Comment_119828154

Your incredulity doesn't change what happened.

Penn · 03-11-2022 2:03pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119828154#Comment_119828154

Your argument is completely circular. "There's risk of damage to the property even without Pelosi there" - The security is for Pelosi herself, not the property, and Pelosi wasn't there. "There were risks to her husband as we have just seen" - There weren't any immediate or on-going risks or threats against Paul Pelosi, any more than there ever would be. You're saying "as we have just seen" after the fact. "The lunatic presumably didn't know Pelosi wasn't there" - He was able to enter far more easily specifically because there was far less security because Nancy Pelosi wasn't there.

The argument you keep making is centered on Nancy Pelosi being the 3rd most powerful person in the US political system, but the simple fact is she wasn't there and therefore security was with her, not the property or her husband (because security for family members doesn't extend to Pelosi's family the same way it does to the POTUS or VPOTUS families).

Danzy · 03-11-2022 2:06pm

It seems to just be a hook up that went very wrong.

Penn · 03-11-2022 2:11pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119828259#Comment_119828259

So you think the guy who did it confessed to breaking in for the purposes of wanting to kidnap and assault Nancy Pelosi, and assaulting Paul Pelosi with a hammer after Paul Pelosi tried to raise the alarm for help, and therefore is likely facing several years in prison (possibly 20+ years), not to mention he was caught on CCTV using the hammer to break in through the glass doors, all to cover up "a hook up that went very wrong" based on zero evidence?

BruteStock · 03-11-2022 2:48pm

It's best to ignore anyone who tries to argue the Pelosi house, whether occupied or not, wasn't as secure as Fort knox. God knows how much highly confidential documents and expensive items are littered about the place. Paul himself is a multi millionaire and public figure. Thinking he doesn't require any security is even more laughable. We already for fact the place was secure because the cops are reviewing the tapes.

I don't believe there was any homoerotic behaviour involved myself but any reasonable person would pause for thought after reading the report details. It's not a fabrication of reality that the perp was arrested in his underpants. So there has to be footage of the man walking towards the house in underpants holding a hammer. He may have took the hammer from Paul but who plans on breaking into a house and kidnapping a government official in nothing but a pair of jocks.. All signs point to him being a mentally unstable nut job. The security footage needs to be released so people know for sure what happened in this crazy situation.

paul71 · 03-11-2022 2:52pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119828475#Comment_119828475

"Mentally unhinged nutjob".................... in other words anyone who listens to Tucker Carlson.

ElitesTeam · 03-11-2022 3:03pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119828513#Comment_119828513

That or CNN

ohnonotgmail · 03-11-2022 3:07pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119828592#Comment_119828592

#BothSides

lizzyjane · 03-11-2022 3:11pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119828024#Comment_119828024

There is clearly CCTV on the house you can actually see it from media outlets photos reporting on the incident. Thats if it is the red brick house?

Manic Moran · 03-11-2022 4:05pm

This strikes me as being one of those instances where having a firearm to hand would have probably proven more useful than having a mobile 'phone to hand.

I wouldn't read too much into the alarms being off. Most of us don't have the alarms set when one of us is at home, though I do admit to being a bit surprised that there is no protection for Pelosi's immediate family. On the other hand, budgets are a thing, and the USSS can't afford to protect everyone and their next of kin.

Attempted Kidnapping of Nancy Pelosi & Assault of Paul Pelosi

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