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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,942 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    I don't quite understand the reasoning for not giving the Ukrainians the capacity to effectively target Russian infrastructure in kind. Bringing the war to their soil, imposing cost on the population and disruption of everyday life is an essential aspect of winning a conflict. Why should Russian be given free reign to leave Ukrainian infrastructure in ruins without suffering the same? See how the Muscovites enjoy a winter without power.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,764 ✭✭✭storker


    I have a suspicion that, due to greater Ukrainian knowledge of Russian deployments thanks to inteligence assistance from the west, they have no shortage of military targets to hit. Also, they may still have to use ammunition carefully. In such a scenario it's better to use the ammunition on a target that can hurt them rather than one that can't, and rather than one that might lose them some of the international goodwill that they've built up since February.

    The Russian picture of the Ukrainian deployments is likely to be much less reliable, which may be one reason why Russia is targeting civilian infrastructure so much - because they know for sure where those targets are.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,303 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Ukraine systematically hits targets inside Russia = Russia is "being invaded by NATO/US"

    That's how it would be spun, and would be a huge propaganda boost for the Kremlin. It would turn an unnecessary "operation" into a necessary war for them overnight.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭Hobgoblin11



    Russian occupation authorities halted civilian traffic across the Dnipro river in Kherson

    that dam is looking dicy

    Dundalk, Co. Louth



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,852 ✭✭✭zv2


    @grumpyperson "Stop the war and use diplomacy."

    'Diplomacy' is not a magic word that solves things effortlessly. What do you mean by diplomacy? Talks? About what? You need to explain what they are going to talk about.

    It looks like history is starting up again.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 545 ✭✭✭Crocodile Booze




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,568 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard



    This is not good news if its the dam.

    Hopefully it's some ammo dump.

    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,942 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    They can try and spin it that way, but who actually cares? Anyone who might be swayed by the Kremlin probably isn't worth a jot anyway.

    On a purely tactical level, creating greater strain on Russian resources would acceralate the effect of various sanctions, and hopefully force them to divert resources from the war towards their domestic situation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,852 ✭✭✭zv2


    The increase in Russian casualties could be a result of the mobilized cannon fodder being pushed to the front lines, with bad equipment and Russian soldiers preventing them from retreating.

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,836 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    1. They don't have the resources, and have to focus on the immediate problem which is the Russian army and logistics in their territory.
    2. They are firing at military targets in neighbouring Belgorad Oblast if they get the opportunity.
    3. Destroying Russian federation army logistics is a better return on investment, it degrades the Russian armies attacking effectiveness.
    4. Once they start hitting civilian infrastructure at scale, they bolster support for the Kremlin. From WW II German civilians did not give up under heavy bombing in WW II. Tit for tat is a war crime when there is no military objective behind the attacks.
    5. Destroying civilian infrastructure in Russia would be part of a wider war and a prelude to invasion of the Russian heartland. i.e. march on Moscow.

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,942 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    Attacking in turn a electrical and communications nodes should be a component of degrading Russia's capacity to wage war. It's standard practice for the US for example.

    I don't buy the argument that it's dangerously escalatory, the genocidal rhetoric from Russia is fairly stark in it's goals. The WW2 comparison falls flat imo, as there's a clear difference between indiscriminate bombing of civilians and targeted destruction of critical infrastructure. This is already a total war scenario for Ukraine, why should Russian be given the sole authority for dictating the terms of combat?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,836 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    No, doubt about it the Russian leadership own rhetoric that they intend to terrorize citizens of Ukraine and backed by some of their actions that is seemingly what they are doing, that is a war crime. You have to bear in mind that one day you could find yourself in a uniform or pushing a button to destroy a target, the laws of armed conflict apply to you. I was just following orders may be subject to review afterwards and also weigh on your conscience.

    What are jus ad bellum and jus in bello?

    Jus ad bellum refers to the conditions under which States may resort to war or to the use of armed force in general. The prohibition against the use of force amongst States and the exceptions to it (self-defence and UN authorization for the use of force), set out in the United Nations Charter of 1945, are the core ingredients of jus ad bellum (see the box titled "On the Prohibition against War"). Jus in bello regulates the conduct of parties engaged in an armed conflict. IHL is synonymous with jus in bello; it seeks to minimize suffering in armed conflicts, notably by protecting and assisting all victims of armed conflict to the greatest extent possible.

    Rule 1. The Principle of Distinction between Civilians and Combatants

    Numerous military manuals, including those of States not, or not at the time, party to Additional Protocol I, stipulate that a distinction must be made between civilians and combatants and that it is prohibited to direct attacks against civilians.


    You have to be clear when you are hitting your target, for instance the Kerch stait bridge carried both civilian and military equipment. Since the Russian army uses rail to transport heavy equipment and fuel, so it can be considered a legitimate military target. If that was the ONLY means of supplying the 2 million civilians in Crimea with food and essential supplies and they had no other means to get them, then the judgement becomes less clear, since it would have a disproportionate effect on civilians, whichever side they are on.

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,836 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,660 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    The "Visegrad group" as a concept of a collection of like minded EU members is kind of defunct now I expect (Russia's invasion killed it finally!).

    That twitter account has a massive slant, but along with the odd bit of rubbish and "fake news" to push a particular agenda it (IMO) is sometimes well informed, and the stories can appear elsewhere later. Suggesting people who run it do have connections somewhere.

    The article from "Oko" I linked (https://oko.press/visegrad24-anonomous-account-mystery-revealed/) was first thing I've found that tried to put a name to potential operators.

    As the founder of Visegrad24, TrueStory pointed directly to Wojciech Pawelczyk, an associate of Jack Posobiec, a conservative American journalist.

    However, according to my online investigation, although the direction indicated by TrueStory is correct, it is not Pawelczyk. Instead, I have identified two other individuals who can be related to Visegrad24. They are:


    – Adam Starzynski, a journalist who formerly worked for the English-language program PolandDaily, produced by TV Republika; and the owner of the now-banned @BasedPoland account, which spread extremely conservative content on Twitter

    – Stefan Thompson, a video creator and PR specialist (as he describes himself on Facebook), also affiliated with the MEGA [extracted from earlier in article: (Make Europe Great Again) network, i.e., Polish supporters of Donald Trump and the American far right] network, now a contributor to TVP (a pro-government Polish Public Television).




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Why would they attack the UK? It's nonsense and designed to deflect and stir a bit of crap in their own media.

    Attacking UK would be get Russia nowhere except a comprehensive overwhelming military response.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,430 ✭✭✭paul71


    Simple, they are utterly incapable of doing so. The shitshow that is the Russian army would not get 500 meters into Estonia, suggesting an attack on the UK is beyond a joke. You might as well have suggested The Zulus could have mounted an attack on London.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,274 ✭✭✭EOQRTL


    An attack on UK infrastructure is entirely possible, Nobody is suggesting a full scale invasion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,430 ✭✭✭paul71


    With what? They only thing they are capable of is poisoning people with perfume bottles.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 870 ✭✭✭blackwave


    Let's be real here, do Russia want to risk trigger NATO's article 5 by attacking UK infrastructure? The answer is no, if there was any attack on the uk infrastructure they will be the prime suspects. The whole calling the uk ambassador over svastapol looks like another standard Russia ploy to say that they are against Nato for their domestic audience.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 545 ✭✭✭Crocodile Booze


    Putinbots wetting their man-knickers at a fantasy Russian attack on the UK.

    Get a grip. Literally.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,430 ✭✭✭paul71



    It really is laughable isn't it!! A country that manages to sink its only aircraft carrier in a drydock, is hiding 1/3 of its navy from a country with no navy, and an Airfrce getting its arse kicked by 1960/70s era migs is supposed to get past the Norweigan, Finnish, German, Dutch, British, French Navies or Polish, Czech, Slovak, German, French, Belguim, Norweigan, Dutch, British Airforces to attack UK infastructure. It really is a daft suggestion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,764 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    No it isn't, any more than the UK attacking Russian infrastructure is. The Horde would not have attacked Ukraine if they had retained their nuclear weapons.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,425 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    One gets the impression that the Russian talk show guys are fully aware the war is going terribly. This guy is talking about attacking Finland and Sweden with nuclear weapons.....it's all just hot air, bombast and nutty rhetoric.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,513 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    Go on. You’re dying to say that it’ll be nukes!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,315 ✭✭✭✭machiavellianme


    More like spooks. Imaginary and supposedly scary

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,012 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    A bit of a different opinion than the Russian representatives on this forum.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,303 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    The Ukrainians aren't doing it for obvious reasons, likewise the US and others aren't supplying the long-range weaponry - they all know it. Russia would use it to escalate the conflict to extremes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,499 ✭✭✭✭josip


    Have Russia got any more escalation left in them?

    And before anyone suggests it, they're not going to use nukes/chemical weapons etc. Their recent climb down about the grain exports disproves those threats.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,836 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    The Kremlin perceives that the Brits are politically weak (that's not propaganda, they are) and sees them as a proxy for the United States. In much the same way as Belarus is a client state of Russia. They are not going to attack the United States directly, that's fatal. They can send a shot across the bows by exploiting Britains weakness, it would be for purposes of political maneuver. How is Britain weak? It only just skirted a financial crisis that almost (and still could) take down pension funds. This is war, it does not have to take the form of cutting fiber optic lines or blowing up gas pipelines. It can also be to insert division in alliances or divert resources away at key stages of battle. The XR/Just stop oil idiots are enough to cause disruption in the UK.

    We don't know who blew up the pipelines to Germany, we can guess it is done with Americans tacit approval, and likely to keep Germany from breaking ranks. German industry is piling the pressure on their government. Having the Brits preoccupied with internal politics can work in the Kremlins favour, they don't negotiate with the EU as a political entity, it is always with nation states, that is why you see President Macron, or Chancellor Scholz in Moscow, they diss the EU representatives. Their goal must be to break or limit the NATO alliance or at least make them think twice about crossing the border in Ukraine.

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,012 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    Don't worry, Putin is after sending the electricity engineers to the front lines.🤭

    It could be a long winter yet in Moscow..



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