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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 426 ✭✭grumpyperson


    have you put any thought into what you are shouting? This has been discussed ad infinitum and is a major 'peacenik' talking point.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,042 ✭✭✭jmreire


    " What about, what about" Bottom line, if Russia had behaved like a normal state since the breakup of the USSR, instead of the mafia entity it became, with Don Putin in charge, none of this would have happened. Ukraine had every right to apply for NATO membership. But I believe that the Russian NATO objection was only a smokescreen for Putin to take Ukraine. What he really wanted was the mineral, gas, oil and agricultural wealth that Ukraine has. And that was his main objective, but he miscalculated and failed, and now he is in a tight corner. Slava Ukraine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 426 ✭✭grumpyperson


    The Russian's called for Ukraine to comply with the Minsk treaty many times. It's very fraught. In my estimation things have got much worse for ordinary Ukranian's since April. The slaughter is horrific. The NATO security approach does not appear to be working well and would likely be blocked by turkey anyway. Also a lot to do in terms of corruption in Ukraine in order to be considered.

    I think my opinion is pretty straightforward and consistent. Summed up as ,

    Stop the war and use diplomacy.

    Russia is very dangerous.

    USA is very dangerous.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,179 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    As of the 8th Oct, Ukraine had retaken another 2,500 sq km of their territory in a month.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,728 ✭✭✭storker


    Russia have more territory than when the invasion started.

    Using the same logic, in 1944 the Germans still held Minsk (before losing it to Operation Bagration in the summer), which meant that they weren't losing on the Russian front because they still had more territory than when they started. Truly risible stuff.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,759 ✭✭✭weisses


    Russia and only Russia itself is the reason for the predicement they are in .... Destabilization was inevtable .... Turkey is still partly on Russia's side because it can make a bit of money from them ... The moment Russia becomes useless to Turkey thet will drop them like a hot turd into the bosporus.



  • Posts: 7,946 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Correct, Russia has annexed more territory than it had pre 24th of February. Look at your history books, it's littered with countries making advances... Take your fellow travellers, Nazi Germany... they took territory right up to the outskirts of Moscow... do you accept they were losing the war long before they actually surrendered. But, there are literally scores of examples of such folly and wars being lost subsequently... I also give you Napoleon... the irony here is that it's Ukraine that Russia is bleeding itself out from... Putin supporters are well able to type, but basic logic is lost on ye.

    And go away with yourself with Nuclear war. Russia is being defeated... EVERYBODY knows this, including you... nobody is afraid of Russian nukes. The only ones that should be afraid is if you're living close by to the Russian launch sites. High chance of the rocket falling back to earth shortly after take off or being irradiated by NATO missiles. Your faux bravado fools nobody.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,069 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    And Ukraine called for Russia to comply with the Minsk treaty many times. How could Ukraine comply with Minsk when Russian backed separatists still in control of Ukranian territory?

    And there would be no need for Minsk, no need for war, if Russia abided by its commitments under the Budapest agreement - instead of violating it multiple times. The situation is only fraught because of Russia's breaches of treaties.

    Ukraine are fighting today so they don't have to continue fight into the next generation. For a proper peace, not a temporary armistice - and a future free of Russian domination.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,243 ✭✭✭wassie


    Ukraine are fighting today so they don't have to continue fight into the next generation. For a proper peace, not a temporary armistice - and a future free of Russian domination.

    I heard a Ukrainian spokesperson here in Ireland a while back on talk back radio.

    She said the way Ukranians feel is that the current generation is prepared to sacrifice itself so that the next generation will be free from Russian terror.

    Summed it up very succinctly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,361 ✭✭✭joseywhales


    Ukraine are going to have an elite military by the end of this. Their special operations and use of UAVs and improvisation of tech is laudable, they are a brainy bunch.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,634 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    The point being made is that there certainly was "retaliation" after the black sea fleet bombing. Even though Putin has resumed the grain deal again, there certainly was a response to the bombing, the OP claimed otherwise.

    Slave Ukraine.

    Freudian slip? Oh dear



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,634 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    That all depends on how many of them a) get combat experience, and b) dont get killed or badly wounded in combat



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,361 ✭✭✭joseywhales


    True. I would argue they have no choice though. When someone threatens your right to exist, you can only fight to the death. Live free or die as they say.

    Putin is the one with the choice but he continues to choose war.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,784 ✭✭✭Homelander


    The fact Russia holds more territory than is had at the start of war means absolutely nothing.

    Germany held vastly more territory than it started with at the surrender in 1918.

    Nazi Germany still held vastly more territory than it started with even in January 1945, even though they were losing the war in an obvious way for 18 months prior to that.

    There's absolutely no way to dress this up as Russia "winning". They were fought to standstill by an army a fraction the size of theirs that they were supposed to roll over in days - and are now losing ground and most of their best equipment.

    That's putting aside the pressure on their economy, international isolation, and general humiliation at the lie of the mighty Russian army being exposed on the world-stage for everyone to see.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,179 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    That's rich - 1994 Budapest Memorandum of Security Assurances:

    “respect the independence and sovereignty and the existing borders of Ukraine.”

    “refrain from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of Ukraine.”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,849 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout



    Yes but even the right wing nutters on zerohedge are questioning the odds of Ukranian victory


    Clearly you haven't been paying attention. Zero Hedge, like much of the right-wing libertarian accounts online and in the USA have been pushing out pro-Kremlin talking points since the get go. This is not a sudden departure for them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Down to about 17.% occupied territory now and falling,

    Despite multiple claim's on here nobody is moving an inch because Ukrainians and russians are dug in until after winter



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,327 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    I read that and report(I'll try and dig up the link to the PDF) after it was pointed out to me by a pro Russian type I know(he got it from one of the pro Russian youtube spinners). Yep, it's legit alright, open for all to see.

    And again the obvious elephant in the room question is: did anyone in the Russian leadership read same? If they did then why in the name of basic intelligence did they walk straight into doing precisely what the Americans wanted them to? Either a) they didn't read it and their intelligence services don't deserve the name when any noname can read it on the interwebs, or b) they did read it and are so cretinous they walked into the trap anyway.

    In either case this seems appropriate.

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    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,453 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


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    Russia have pretty much been loosing territory from April on.

    But as soon as they take some back arse village the usual idiots on here say Russia are winning and Ukraine should surrender etc....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,122 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    Hardly surprising. Russia still has massive foreign currency reserves which North Korea desperately needs.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,179 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    What winter? 800 Orcs are being killed each day - total is now:

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    With a reported 40,000 of what passes for the Orc 'best' in Kherson, that rate of attrition will soon lead to a rout, I suspect and hope. In general I am getting a sense they are tearing them to pieces.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,281 ✭✭✭Gmol


    Some times you've got to stand up to a bully as should have been done to Hitler , Ukraine is fighting for their very survival, they've experienced being under Russian control previously and have no wished to return. If the UK invaded Ireland should we just roll over for them?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Poland starts building a new fence around Kaliningrad after it was announced flights are to start arriving from Africa and the middle east, expect more migrants to be pushed into Poland and it's neighbors like what we seen from Belarus weaponising migrants previously




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,849 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    Those estimated KIA numbers have really blown up in the past week. Are the Russians using WW1 tactics with their mobiks or what?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,453 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    That's probably their newly mobilised cannon fodder getting thrown into the meat grinder.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,634 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    It's pure cope from the ukrainians, almost 80k russians "liquidated" would means anywhere from 240k to 800k wounded which is the entire russian army gone, including logistical/support roles who wouldnt even be in combat.

    None of these figures are verified independently, simply taken as gospel from the ukrainian MoD. They do not hold up to any real scrutiny however.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    If you can give us a fault proof headcount go ahead.

    Most of the claims since day one have been pretty close to the button give or take a thousand



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,179 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    ☢️The Russian Foreign Ministry allowed nuclear war.

    Officially, it sounds like this: the use of nuclear weapons is hypothetically possible "in response to aggression", "when the very existence of the state is threatened".

    Unofficially: when Putin wants to

    INFO FRONT

    That seems to be the Ukrainian take on the meeting the US are so recently concerned about. I hope it's just more orchestrated sabre rattling. Are they really so naive that they think making such noises is going to magically stop a hot war and give them a breather or a win via peace talks?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,634 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    Nobody can give a fault proof headcount thats the point - as for assertions like:

    Most of the claims since day one have been pretty close to the button give or take a thousand

    How can you claim it's been close +-1000 if all you are going off is Ukraine MoD claims? You're basically comparing the same thing with itself and stating "Looks good to me"

    The only people who actually know the casualties are the Ukraine MoD (who will lie) and the Russian MoD (who will lie). Some OSINT types have been accumulating death notices of people known to be in the combat zone, but this is incredibly slow work with many gaps. To date none of their estimates come close to that of either Ministry of Defense for the # of dead opposition soldiers.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,137 ✭✭✭Akabusi


    Ukraine is not in NATO and it is none of Russia's business if they want to apply to join. You know NATO was a handy excuse to invade and that has been debunked countless times here already, most likley to yourself under one of your other accounts. Leave N Ireland out of it as you haven't a clue about that either. The only stupidity I see is in your posts.



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