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"Green" policies are destroying this country

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Oh gosh, Adam Something thrashing carbon capture tech. I've seen his previous videos, he's got an unabashed delivery method but his takes are accurate, especially liked the videos thrashing self-propelled train cars and the hyperloop




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,566 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    There was no rabbit hole. Just a question that required a simple yes or no.

    Your weaseling attempts to avoid doing so doesn`t leave much room for drawing incorrect inclusions on your attitude to rules and regulations that do not suit you, compared to those that do. That you have made that clear doesn`t say much for your posting integrity which is no skin off my nose.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,743 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    Shadow flicker if you've experienced it is very disconcerting and annoying. It tends to happen as sunset/sunrise depending on where your property is in relation to the turbines. Luckily cloudy days limit the number of occurrences. I planted laurel hedging around the property to limit it in the evenings, once established it will grow fast. Noise becomes an issue when you are downwind of the turbines, again hedging is needed to dampen the effect. As the turbines age they are more likely to squeak and squeal. Imagine listening to a large squeaky wheel at night when there is just a light breeze blowing.

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,123 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    Noise is definitely an issue but I always found the flicker to be way worse when I was working around them. Mind you, I never had to spend a night in my own bed trying to drown out the noise of one.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,718 ✭✭✭paddyisreal


    I have a Rayburn that does my heating, cooking and hot water all off turf. It works through any power cuts at a fraction the price of any other source and lots of rural Ireland have the same as me, only an idiot would change away from it atm. The time will come where turf will naturally wain but the greens with their mad carbon taxes have extended its lifespan by numerous more years



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,718 ✭✭✭paddyisreal


    Yes, I am setting up a go fund me page for the kids in China, Chad, India etc who have being exploited by the green movement so that you greenies can feel holier than thou with yer lovely solar panels and electric cars. Please feel free to throw in a few quid if you can spare it after your retrofit !



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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 94,785 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight



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    Based on UK offshore windfarm load duration curves 30GW would produce 3.2GW 83% of the time and 1.6GW or higher 92% of the time. That's pretty close to what nuclear fanboys claim and a lot better than many nuclear fleets get in the real world. And that's without storage or backup. Real world data from at least 5 years. And 50% of the time that 30GW would be producing at least 11.11GW , the minimum to allow you to generate 3.2GW and produce enough hydrogen to generate another 3.2GW at 40% round trip efficiency.

    And weather forecasts are good a week ahead so it's not like wind drops off the grid unannounced like a nuclear power plant can.


    Hinkley C is guaranteed £92.50 per MWh, indexed linked for 35 years from start of commercial operation, whenever that might be. Hint all but one of the UK's other nuclear plants will have closed down by then. 3.2GW is 3,200 MWh's every hour. Multiply that by the hours in 35 years and multiply by the CPI since 2012 and it's a LOT more than €83m, for a small fraction of the power you'd get from offshore wind.


    Besides even if your €83Bn for 30GW is valid there's no way it would cost that much to refurbish them unless they were removing ALL of the infrastructure. For offshore wind the blades, gearboxes and generators are a small fraction of the costs. The cables and towers and transformers and cement would already be in place.

    One promising new technique for blades is to use a thermoplastic material in between the layers on composite materials. With built in heaters. So you can melt the plastic to repair cracks, refurb in-situ. Like feathering the edges of the blades it adds up to longer lives than today's turbines.

    Oh yeah, capex for renewables comes from the investors not the government. So you need to look at the strike prices.


    UK costs for clean up of nuclear plants are running at three billion each.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,566 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    I grew up with a turf burning Stanley and later a Rayburn. Both used for the cooking and gave us all the heat and hot water we needed and as you say a lot of them still working away doing the same and I doubt any sane person will be throwing them out, especially now.

    I often think that rather than sitting in sealed boxes totally dependent on electricity, it would do greens no harm to get out on the bog and get a bit of fresh air rather than pontificating on turf in Ireland while being Chinese fanboys of green tech produced by coal burning energy and smelting plants that within a few hours add more to global emission than turf burning in Ireland does in a year. It might give them a bit of perspective which they are sadly lacking in.



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  • Posts: 15,362 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Here's more of those green companies making obscene profits, this time its $8.2 billion in the third quarter, yes in 3 months


    Well, they're a "green" company according to their CEO anyway




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,214 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia



    Fossil fuel companies use propaganda to oppose nuclear where nuclear is threatening to replace Fossil fuels, and they also use Pro-Nuclear propaganda when Renewables are threatening to replace Fossil fuels.

    Have you ever played even a simple card game? Different strategies for different hands

    If you don't think they are doing this, you're naive

    Renewables are the number 1 threat to Fossil fuels profits. The fossil fuel conglomerates know this. Nuclear is an old industry, they kmow it's not a threat to them because they're still here despite 70 years of Nuclear power.

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,214 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    The people 'vandalising' the art (note not 'destroying', because the art is just fine) don't need to be reported by DaCor. they do it in a way that requires that they are arrested and charged. These climate change protesters are taking full responsibility for their actions. They are putting their own freedom and futures on the line

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,214 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Prolonged periods? So about 1% of the time (actually much much less than this) the sun will be shining through the wind turbines.

    I have trees behind my house, for a few minutes a day, the sun shines through those leaves into my kitchen and creates a strobe effect.

    I get on with it. If I had epilepsy, I'd probably close the blinds

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,214 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,214 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    If you saw your neighbour pouring toxic chemicals into a river, would you report them?

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,214 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    So easy solutions to the slight inconvenience

    Do you know what's also annoying, the sound of traffic on the road, the sound of aircraft in the air, the sound of rescue helicopters that often fly nearby, the humming of an HCDC power line...

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,566 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    Of course I would, but from the posting by some here I very much doubt they would if they thought it was some inane save the planet stunt. They would more than likely tell them they were a good man/woman.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,566 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    What are they being charge with out of idle interest. Vandalism or damaging public or private property ?

    Not that it matters, when you have to stoop to that childish inane level attempting to make a point then you have lost the plot anyway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,214 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    It will be different in every case, it's all likely to be criminal damage and they will all face either hefty fines, and/or some time in jail

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,214 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    I was involved in the anti war movement for the Iraq war in 2003 and we did 'direct actions' which involved deliberately breaching secure locations knowing that we would get arrested and likely charged with criminal offenses

    People I know spent quite a bit of time in Jail for damaging aircraft at Shannon. They didn't smash the plane and run away, they damaged the plane, and then called the security to get arrested. They did this because they wanted to disable a war machine, but not endanger the crew so they made sure that the damage was clear and could not have been ignored.

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,214 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    So polluting water is bad, but polluting the air is ok?

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    depends if it was legal or not. What were they burning out of interest Tires ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    That's great what did it actually achieve ? There were tones of peaceful protests all over the world.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,660 ✭✭✭ps200306



    Why would I need to defend oil companies? They are just businesses doing what businesses do -- selling stuff that people want. It's only the Greenie mindset that paints oil companies as evil polluters, ignoring the fact that it's their customers (all of us) who burn the stuff. As far as I'm concerned they are keeping human civilisation afloat whereas the Greens are trying to destroy it. That's why I happily and unapologetically own shares in oil, gas, and renewables.

    The only thing I found weird about the Aramco graph that was posted back on page 531 was the (lack of) costs for upstream operations. Back in 2017/18 they said they were going to spend $400 bn over a decade including over $200 bn on drilling, well services, and maintenance. This year alone they said they'd spend $50 bn. (1, 2, 3).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,566 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    Farting pollutes the air, so are we now going to report neighbours for that as well ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,214 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    It achieved nothing.

    Most people thought it was better to pander to Bush rather than risk the decline of Shannon Airport (it still declined.....)

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,660 ✭✭✭ps200306


    Wind and solar and storage prices fall over time, nuclear prices balloon from the original budget

    Care to explain why Irish wind prices went up 30% in two years?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,214 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    You can if you like.

    But I suspect you actually know the difference between a negligible scale of pollution, versus one that has a noticeable impact on others' quality of life

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl




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