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WWE Raw Superthread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,420 ✭✭✭✭CastorTroy


    Was non title. Don't think it was ever advertised as being for the title.



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,640 Mod ✭✭✭✭Necro


    Yeah don't remember that either. Presumably it's all leading to Damage Control VS Team Bianca War Games match with Nicky the unpredictable member for Damage Control vs Bianca, Asuka, Alexa, and Candice. Though there will also have to be a title match now somewhere?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,420 ✭✭✭✭CastorTroy


    Is there a woman's match set up for Crown Jewel yet?



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,640 Mod ✭✭✭✭Necro


    No and that's probably exactly where it will slot in given Rondas...erm... Inability to travel



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 88,244 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    Roman and Brock scheduled for Raw tonight



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,420 ✭✭✭✭CastorTroy


    Midnight start tonight?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 88,244 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    Randy would have RKO'd Rhea by now, Raquel been teaming with AJ and Rey



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 88,244 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    I'm surprised with those title changes this soon, surely now Bayley will win the title from Bianca or is Damage Control done



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,240 ✭✭✭ThePott


    Pretty good Raw overall.

    The pull apart for Lesnar/Lashley was cool. Rollins and Theory had a great match. The Trick or Street Fight and the lads as Chippendales (Chris Farley from SNL?) was fun. Roman did a great job handling the crowd, crazy to compare him to what he used to be and his rant up the ramp was intense and cool. The Johnny Gargano interview was a nice wrinkle as I think the Lumis story was starting to wear thin, not sure it fully adds up but still a good addition. Gargano being everyone in the re-enactment was gas and thought Byron has been great in the segments lately.

    Wondering at this point who they could have for the OC, Nikki (Sanity theme lives!) really seemed like the best option with her history with Rhea too. Speaking of her match with Belair was okay but could have been better and at this point Damage Control really need something. They had great potential but there hasn't been much success to make them believable as threats, feels like this feud has been going on too long as well. Bliss seemed like she got tagged and was pissed in the tag match. Not sure how I feel about Iyo tapping and also being pinned. Think Bayley needs to win, the division needs a bit of a shake-up right now.

    Shoutout to the security guard who leaped the barricade like he was in Cheltenham.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,244 ✭✭✭✭J. Marston


    Rhea is great right now...

    Also, some are saying Alexa gave a little receipt here. Decide for yourselves...




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,420 ✭✭✭✭CastorTroy


    Indi to debut soon? Seeing her name as "Dexter" was carrying his stuff after the footage before that seems to suggest it.

    Is the pins in Logan's hand the new steel plate in the forearm of Lex Luger?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,874 ✭✭✭Pentecost


    Wrong thread. Hic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,420 ✭✭✭✭CastorTroy


    With Crown Jewel out of the way, will we start the build to Survivor Series tonight?

    They have 3 weeks of shows to build to it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,244 ✭✭✭✭J. Marston


    There is nothing to build really.

    Blue lads fight red lads.

    Blue girls fight red girls.

    Done. Same rubbish every year.



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 25,092 Mod ✭✭✭✭Loughc


    They’re scrapping the brand battles this year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 88,244 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    Team Ronda SD Vs. Team Bianca RAW but where does Damage Control with Bayley fit in



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 25,092 Mod ✭✭✭✭Loughc


    Nope no brand warfare this year it’s damage control and Nikki cross versus team Belair in wargames.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 42,687 Mod ✭✭✭✭Lord TSC


    Wow, Theory.


    Cashes in on a midcard title, against a champion who had already issued an open challenge, who had already been put through a table and beat up....and you still lose? That's quite a comedown for the young lad, in terms of booking confidence.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,244 ✭✭✭✭J. Marston


    HHH is an idiot.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,773 ✭✭✭connemara man


    Theory will now go to KO who verbally destroyed him to build him up again.

    This could be the beginning of a great re build or burying the last of Vince's stories or a bit of both



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  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,640 Mod ✭✭✭✭Necro


    Yeah I'm not sure about this one Papa H. Like even logically speaking when you have a guaranteed world title match, when you can insert yourself in the main event at Mania as an eg... Why cash in on a midcard belt on a random Raw?

    I'm all for surprise and that but it's a complete logic fail there from a booking sense.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,807 ✭✭✭Sirsok


    Could be looking to rebuild Theory in a different light as opposed to a dipshit selfie taker.

    Young man who kept making silly stupid mistakes, before he finally has a moment where his head gets screwed on.

    Not defending it but seems like a logical step for Theory



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,385 ✭✭✭Cotts72


    This could be a good take ,I think Vince's approach was a bit excessive and shoved him down our throats every week



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,179 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    Disappointing cash in by Theory but maybe its building toward ls something like 'oh it's a fake contract or it's only valid for world's championship etc'



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,909 ✭✭✭hynesie08


    Raw back to being utterly boring again, but I'm sure one of these HHH NXT returns will be the spark to bring the show to life, because writing a compelling wrestling show doesn't seem to be an option.

    LOL at Theory though, can't wait for the slow burn losing streak gimmick, haven't had one of them in a while.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 42,687 Mod ✭✭✭✭Lord TSC


    I absolutely get why they'd have Theory have an unsuccessful cash in. He's nowhere near ready for the world title, and so it makes sense to get the case off him.


    But the manner he did it was so, so stupid. Even have it be a failed cash in and a humbling against Reigns. Losing to Reigns would achieve the same "needed a reality check, and to be built back up" story. Losing to an already shattered Rollins was a buying.



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,640 Mod ✭✭✭✭Necro


    I suppose the mitigating factor is that Lashley came back and beat the tar out of Theory as well in their minds so it saves face a little?

    On Raw being boring, it actually wasn't that bad - the crowd were dead sure but there were a couple of decent segments and matches.

    Riddle involving himself in the Uso/New Day encounter was really unnecessary though. Presumably he's gonna be on team not Bloodline with New Day for WarGames. I'd like to see Drew and Lashley added there to that trio, because if they toss in a hodge podge of eg Madcap Moss and Mustafa Ali it will be terrible.

    The women's segment was odd, they fought then Bianca made the challenge then fought again which was stupid. As for that "match" between Dana and Nikki, please GOD don't put Dana freaking Brooke inside War Games! They're gonna do it though aren't they....



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,240 ✭✭✭ThePott


    I actually quite liked that Raw.

    That opening promo with Usos/New Day was intense and the 6 man was good too. Also liked Io and Asuka's Japanese argument (translation is gas). Wondering who else is going to join Team Damage Control. I enjoyed the 24/7 title but as it got less emphasis and specialised segments it became uninteresting so dumping it is fine by me. I really like Mia Yim and felt she was super underrated in NXT so I think she's a good pick-up even if her pairing with the OC is odd, I think her and Rhea could be great though.

    Things I'm mixed on; not sure about the Gargano/Miz story right now, not sure where it goes except back to square one based on that segment. As for the Theory failed cash-in. I see both sides, I think Theory was overpushed under Vince but I don't know if this was the way to have him lose the cash-in. He was never going to get one over Roman so I guess it makes the US title feel a bit more important. Makes him look dumb and can see people being unhappy. I do like it though IF they go the route I think they're going. Everyone Austin has encountered since Vince left has basically said he's not safe anymore, that his meal ticket is gone. If this leads to him finding who he is long term and having to develop a bit more character it could be interesting. I dunno, how I feel on it tbh.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,420 ✭✭✭✭CastorTroy


    I enjoyed that Raw.

    Mia seems a good opponent for Rhea. though never understood why they couldn't have the guys fight back. If I remember correctly it's because they can't show men hitting women is okay to do. But it works the other way as well and women hitting men isn't good and normalising that is just as bad.

    Not sure who else will join the teams, but maybe someone from Smackdown who also have a problem with Damage Ctrl.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 88,244 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    I'm glad finally someone to take on Rhea

    Theory should have gone for the NXT title even, HHH must not be a fan of his



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,385 ✭✭✭Cotts72




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 88,244 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    Kevin Owens is out injured

    Rollins vs. Balor tonight



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,420 ✭✭✭✭CastorTroy


    So that's Bayley's team sorted. Who will be Bianca's last pick? Candice?



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,240 ✭✭✭ThePott


    Kinda surprised that Rhea is in Wargames, thought we might get a blow-off to Edge/Beth vs Judgement Day. Maybe Beth could be the last woman on Bianca's team, unless Becky? Would love for Rhea to pun Bianca though and for the to feud.

    Main event was excellent and for Survivor Series I'll never get sick of Styles/Balor. Nice to see Gable pick up a win too. Also enjoyed seeing Shelton and Tozawa have something to do. Hope they do something with Akira long-term. The new direction with Theory could really work, given all the stick that the failed cash-in got hope it pans out into something worthwhile, I think this is a good direction though but time will tell.

    If there's one person I'm not sure what to make of it's Mustafa Ali. Him getting his ass kicked by Lashley is gonna do him no favours cause Bobby is so over due to him wrecking the place and people are more than happy to see Ali get wrecked as a result so he'll never get over with this stuff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,420 ✭✭✭✭CastorTroy


    Just thinking with HHH bringing ones back, Tegan Nox may want another shot at War Games and Dakota.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 88,244 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1




  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,640 Mod ✭✭✭✭Necro


    I'm sort of hoping they save Bianca/Rhea for WrestleMania if I'm honest because I think it's the one match on the Raw side (women's anyways) that the result would be hard to figure beforehand.

    However I fully expect Beth/Rhea to be at Mania (possibly in some sort of mixed tag with Edge and the rest of Judgement Day) and Bianca/Rhea probably at the Rumble with Bianca probably getting Charlotte (they'll surely do Becky/Ronda on the Smackdown side).

    Anyways to Survivor Series. I mean they're surely faking us into thinking Dana Brooke is going to be member number 5 for team Bianca but I reckon it's probably gonna be Becks.

    Presumably Theory and Rollins will be the SS match after that ending too which tbf to them has managed to reestablish Theory with some level of credibility. Although the "that was stupid" chant was hilarious 😂

    I like how they've packaged Corbin and Tozawa doesn't come off terribly bad after that match though he could seriously do with a change of ring gear. Gable winning was a surprise as Alpha Academy have been jobbed out a good bit of late but now have two wins in two weeks.

    The Miz stuff was ok but they're dragging the arse out of it now, another two feckin weeks before there's a resolution!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,420 ✭✭✭✭CastorTroy


    The fifth member to be from Smackdown? Raquel?

    So is Mia going to be known by Michin or both?

    Was thinking Rhea would win since a heel advantage is usually the best way to go. Now will the men be the same with Shéamus/Drew fighting Usos for the advantage on Smackdown.

    Austin is getting into the new attitude. Think they'll try and make him the next Randy? Though no Evolution to help.



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,640 Mod ✭✭✭✭Necro


    Raquel or Liv I guess be the obvious choices.

    Was wondering if a spell in Judgement Day might help out Theory but it's not exactly the same as Evolution of course.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,244 ✭✭✭✭J. Marston


    Is she even a wrestler anymore? Cagematch says she hasn't wrestled a match since her release.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,420 ✭✭✭✭CastorTroy


    Noticed that. Maybe she's taking the time to recover from her injuries she built over the years. She did a bit of commentary when she was in NXT as well.

    Edit: just found this. From August. She's stuck in Orlando while trying to get her green card




  • Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 15,342 Mod ✭✭✭✭Furious-Red


    Rumours are Becky is the final member but I see she is back in Ireland atm.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,874 ✭✭✭Pentecost


    Aside from the fact that she has form for winding people up on social media she could just be back for a few days before she goes back on the road again. I'd be surprised if she doesn't return on Saturday.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,420 ✭✭✭✭CastorTroy


    I was going to say maybe they'll wait until the night, but sure the whole team is locked in a cage so no big entrance that way, unless someone is attacked and then replaced when the last member is due to enter the match.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 88,244 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    Who owned the car?

    I am thinking Raquel for Team Bianca

    Who did Ali pi$$ off, back to NXT might be best for him

    I hope Team Sheamus wins



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 25,092 Mod ✭✭✭✭Loughc


    Ali did openly ask for his release, he's eating sh!t sandwiches now and will do for the forseeable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 88,244 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    I thought under HHH he was getting a push being involved in the US title picture



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,240 ✭✭✭ThePott


    Yeah I don't think he's being buried. He asked for his release under Vince and maybe feels different in this new era.

    He's on TV everyweek and whatever they're doing with him and I think it's going to lead to chasing the US title, he's contending for it in multi-man matches at house shows lately. Now on the other hand, is what they're doing with him going to get him over? Probably not.



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,640 Mod ✭✭✭✭Necro


    Not everyone can be a world champion, especially in this Reigns double-title era. Ali is being featured on both shows weekly at the moment. He's absolutely fine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,179 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    This new Austin Theory direction has a lot of potential. Reminds me a little of John Cena when he started

    Maybe Team Sheamus wins and it starts a bit of tension within the bloodline. Could a team member of team Sheamus turn heel ?

    First time in years I'm looking forward to a Survivor Series



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