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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 29,818 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Its questionable because they should not be legitimising the camps by engaging with them. Its not an easy position to be in, but they are in essence facilitating the abduction of Ukrainian citizens. I don't think its black and white, but their presence absolutely gives an air of legitimacy to them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    @[Deleted User] As we say in Lausanne : “Check yourself before you wreck yourself.”....

    What an absolute spoofer,

    Nobody in Lausanne or anywhere else in Switzerland says that...

    It's a quote from an icecube song which was famously quoted by in a media report by Aidan Aslin aka cossack gundi while fighting isis in Syria now famously of the Ukrainian Marines captured by the Russians in Mariupol recently Freed from captivity...


    🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 29,818 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    No it isn't. Its his belief, and the reason he invaded Ukraine in the first place.

    Besides, even if it was, "you don't deserve to exist and you only exist because I allow it" is not a negotiating position you could ever possibly come to terms with. Its akin to me telling you you owe me a million quid and you saying you don't and me suggesting we negotiate and meet in the middle.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 92 ✭✭Jackiebt


    What's telling is that you take everything you read or watch as truth and lacking any propaganda. How can anyone state that "there is no NATO culpability" is beyond me. This conflict really started in April, 2008, at the nato Summit in Bucharest, where afterward nato issued a statement that said Ukraine and Georgia would become part of nato. The Russians made it unequivocally clear at the time that they viewed this as an existential threat, and they drew a line in the sand. The levels of propaganda from both sides in this conflict are unprecedented, and it seems they have really done a job on you.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 29,818 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    If the UK said they were drawing a line in the sand about our continued membership of the EU would that make it ok for them to invade us if we ignored them?

    (this is ignoring the fact that Ukraine was nowhere near joining NATO, and all this has done is accelerate the likelihood of that event)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,505 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    I asked you a question about how you can reconcile with supporting the rape of children etc and you did everything to avoid answering the question. So back to Orwell road or whatever location your handlers have located you in. No decent person could hold the stance of supporting the actions you openly support.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,509 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Great result for thr Ukrainians with that successful sea drone attack on the Russian Navy.

    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 92 ✭✭Jackiebt


    Not a great comparison. Firstly, the EU is not a military force spearheaded by our biggest rivals of more than 70 years. You don't need to imagine a scenario to make your point, look at the last time we came close to Nuclear war, the Cuban missile crisis. If the Russians spearheaded a military collective similar to NATO and decided to invite Mexico, which in turn would eventually facilitate the setting up of missiles on the US border then yes the Americans would most definitely warn the Mexicans against joining and invade if they were ignored.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 29,818 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    I am committed that we support Ukraine until Ukraine decides they do not want to fight anymore. There is close to zero support in Ukraine for a ceasefire or negotiations that fall short of returning their land and citizens.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,713 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    No surprise, RuSSia exiting the grain deal.


    The Russian Defense Ministry said Saturday that Moscow has moved to suspend its implementation of a U.N.-brokered grain deal which has seen more than 9 million tons of grain exported from Ukraine and has brought down global food prices.




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,525 ✭✭✭Curious_Case


    My feeling is that the NATO membership issue was always a red herring.

    Russia was so afraid a war might start that it started a war.

    and/or

    The Kremlin always intended to reform the USSR and would only be able to do so if the candidates for invasion were not NATO members.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,623 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    No.

    Once Chernobyl happened and the scales fell away from the eyes of the 200 million Comrades, the Soviet Union was utterly doomed.

    Blame for any consequences of disorderly break-up in the former SSRs may be entirely laid at the door of every Politburo from Stalin to Gorbachev.

    The West were quite content to live alongside the Glasnost era USSR and further de-power the nuclear stockpiles, but what happened in the USSR and Warsaw pact was simply the tumbling of a house of cards.

    What Putin is attempting to do now, in his own absolutely stark staring mental way, is lead people to the promised land of renewed glory days that never actually existed.

    Bit like Brexit in a T-90 tank.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,045 ✭✭✭jmreire


    It has always been one of the tenets of the ICRC to visit places of detention, or where Civilians are held, regardless of the circumstances, or who is holding them. There is a whole department in the ICRC devoted to that sole issue. It's one of their most important functions as a humanitarian organization.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,185 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    You are presupposing Russia's false statements of paranoia have any legitimacy or that there is some reason third parties are obliged to humour them. Russia has no rights to dictate to other countries; what Russia said, when, is irrelevant, it doesn't justify anything anymore than it magically confers rights.

    What Russia have done is inexcusable and has no legitimate justification.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 29,818 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Ukraine are not, and were not close to being, in NATO.

    The US also did not invade Cuba in response to the Cuban missile crisis.

    Russia have removed troops from their border with the soon-to-be NATO country of Finland.

    You do not have to use supposition to understand Russia's actual reasoning. They are very forthright about it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭Hobgoblin11


    Moscow called the UN Security Council to convene after suspending its participation in the grain agreement

    there's not a grain of truth in agreement

    Dundalk, Co. Louth



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,185 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    "Russia stops participating in the "grain agreement" - the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation

    "Moscow stops participating in the implementation of the "grain agreement" after the terrorist attack carried out by the Kiev regime with the participation of British specialists against the ships of the Black Sea Fleet and civilian ships," the official report said.


    Ukraine has not signed any "grain agreements" with Russia. The signatories are Russia, Turkey and the United Nations.

    And Ukraine has not signed any agreements with Russia, because it understands that it almost never complies with its obligations.

    Therefore, we expect the reaction of the signatories - Presidential Spokesperson Nikiforov

    I never thought the grain deal would be honoured for long.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 29,818 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Fair enough. These are not places of detention though, they are places of forced deportation which I think is an important distinction.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,073 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    NATO is a red herring.

    This started when Ukraine wanted to sign a treaty with the EU.

    Russia recognised Ukraines right to join NATO in the NATO Russia Founding Act.

    Russia has no right to invent lines in the sand reneging on previous treaties and contrarty to international law.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,623 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Moscow mustn't have had enough humiliation at the Security Council of late.

    Wonder if our Ambassador Fergal Mythen will repeat the Taoiseach's recent suggestion for Russia to be booted off the SC?

    Would never happen of course, but its a new low for Russia to be in that realm of discussion.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,514 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Well it would be on a par with the UK invading Donegal, Cavan, Monaghan, Leitrim and Sligo, fighting goes on for ten months and in order to end the war, we say to them "You get to keep those five counties forever, as long as the fighting stops now".

    Putin would never agree to withdraw from any part of Ukraine as part of a "peace" settlement.



  • Posts: 7,946 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Pick out the few false videos and ignore the library of fantastic videos? Cry me a river buddy!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,185 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    I have heard about barrels wearing out on tanks, but is this really necessary? No wonder they are winning.



  • Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Really are away with the fairies aren’t you. Georgia and Ukraine wish to join NATO because of threats on their sovereignty from Russia or because they want to threaten Russia? What does history tell us? We’re Georgia and Ukraine justified in feeling threatened? When has there even been a hint that NATO or NATO aligned countries have any desire to go after any sovereign Russian territory?



  • Posts: 7,946 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Putin paying weekend over time I see…

    Imagine blaming the Jews for fighting back against the Nazis in the Polish Ghettos.

    ‘Could they not just talk peace?’

    Putinbots just as moronic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Amazing how many of the anti anything NATO and pro Putin posters just pop up with a small number of posts, even if not obvious new registrations. What makes someone set up an account here, not use it for a couple of years and then launch into stuff like this? Hmm, I can draw my own conclusions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,525 ✭✭✭Curious_Case


    You begin with "No", therefore you seem to be saying that the NATO issue is not a red herring.

    I appreciate that you may not have intended to quote me in your post, as your following thoughts don't seem to be at odds with mine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,418 ✭✭✭Field east


    Am surprised that it took you so long to spot the red herring!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,418 ✭✭✭Field east


    Our Taoiseach may not have much influence / leaverage/ control / final decision at UN level but he has a lot of these possibilities in his own country re what to do about any aspect of the Russian embassy in Ireland



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭Hobgoblin11


    Advisor to the office of President of Ukraine: Nuclear blackmail, energy terror, grain blockade. Putin turned food, cold and prices to weapons against the world. Putin's Russia is waging a hybrid war against Europe, taking Africa and Middle East hostage. Proving once again: negotiations with RF — a waste of time

    stout words from a stout man

    Dundalk, Co. Louth



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