Attempting to destroy famous paintings because fossil fuels

mufflets2 · 28-10-2022 12:39AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119802650#Comment_119802650

There is no paywall on the Guardian

The Guardian is not opinionating on the reports - it is describing their conclusions?

xxxxxxl · 28-10-2022 12:41AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119802657#Comment_119802657

I was paywalled when I looked seems not now reading will get back.

xxxxxxl · 28-10-2022 12:45AM

ok a lot of waffle. How do we move to a low carbon economy when China is using coal to produce it.

Overheal · 28-10-2022 01:45AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119802670#Comment_119802670

Seems a bit cuckoobananas to expect the transition to carbon neutrality will itself be carbon neutral. And Coal & Natural gas will never just go away, they're too important in chemical and metallurgy production - not just for green tech.

xxxxxxl · 28-10-2022 01:54AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119802746#Comment_119802746

But It will never be carbon Neutral wind needs a backup. And those backups need carbon. Your never going to get places in Africa using turbines to produce materials that are mined.

Overheal · 28-10-2022 01:58AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119802753#Comment_119802753

I'm not sure what the argument is here again. It is vastly more carbon neutral than the alternatives. Even nuclear is not carbon neutral. Whinge?

xxxxxxl · 28-10-2022 02:00AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119802758#Comment_119802758

That's my point nothing is carbon neutral that green nonsense. They seem to think windmills and batteries will be made by windmills and batteries.

Overheal · 28-10-2022 02:02AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119802763#Comment_119802763

For the most part yes they can be, anywhere in the industrial fabrication process that don't explicitly need carbon or fuels to produce materials. This means far less aeresolized mercury in major cities and industrial centers if carbon plants are needed to simply heat the offices boil the coffee and keep the lights on or drive the busses.

xxxxxxl · 28-10-2022 02:05AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119802765#Comment_119802765

But mining relies of carbon input even releasing stored carbon.

Overheal · 28-10-2022 02:11AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119802768#Comment_119802768

We're carbon based lifeforms. How far down this rabbit trail are we going.

You may be interested in considering the effects of Carbon Capture Tech and Techniques. With a sufficiently large source of power, and sufficient CC infrastructure, it's possible to neutralize or even reverse net carbon emission.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_capture_and_storage

xxxxxxl · 28-10-2022 02:14AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119802772#Comment_119802772

Greens don't like that earthquakes. Theory is sound ofc would be a great way to sequester carbon. It's kind of like firing Spent nuclear material into our local star. Falls down a bit though if the transport system fails.

kowloon · 28-10-2022 02:28AM

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Not to be pedantic. They also don't cause cancer.

xxxxxxl · 28-10-2022 02:30AM

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What carbon neutral sources where those produced from ?

Strumms · 28-10-2022 02:38AM

According to reports I’ve read, healthcare and healthcare facilities contribute to between 5-10% of global CO2 emissions

soooo…

shut hospitals ?

cancel funding ?

restrict or limit certain treatments that can be certain catalysts for it ?

why not ? set a fire in the lobby of the Mater ? No good reason not to, if attempting to destroy stuff is all of a sudden going to help the environment !?

xxxxxxl · 28-10-2022 02:43AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119802792#Comment_119802792

Nah fast solution. Use all water sources for algae. It may smell but small price to pay for the planet. We could start with all the parks for example. All Starbucks could be turned into open water storage for them.

Overheal · 28-10-2022 02:56AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119802792#Comment_119802792

At most, 4.6%.

https://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/explainer/2022/apr/how-us-health-care-system-contributes-climate-change

John Doe1 · 28-10-2022 03:14AM

If they cared so much about reducing pollution and global warming, surely it is morally indefensible for them to continue breathing?

Overheal · 28-10-2022 03:32AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119802819#Comment_119802819

With hot takes like this the polar caps will be melted in no time.

TomSweeney · 28-10-2022 09:11AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119802554#Comment_119802554

Ha! Renewables!

To say renewables can replace fossil fuel supply is madness, they cannot meet the demand as they are very low density .

Takes a hell of a lot more land area of solar to produce 1MW of electricity then fossil fuel - same for wind.

Also after 10/15 years solar panels need to be dumped - they can't be recycled and are full of heavy metals like selenium and cadmium - so they are filling landfills - California

is finding out about this now.

Same with wind turbines.

Also you talk about the extinction of flowers - well wind farms are douing a great job at killing 100s of thousands of birds.

Solar farms displace millions of desert wildlife, turtles, lizards etc...

Most of these "Studies" that show renewables produce more or the same per unit area as FF, are dishonest as they use hydro in Iceland or Norway as an example -

that's great if you have the terrain and massive volume of flowing water like they do - unfortunately plenty of the world doesn't.

So a more pragmatic practical solution to our energy needs would be nuclear.

But of course the environmental extremists is staunchly anti nuclear too.

And that's it, that's my opinion, to sling "Climate change denier" at me is quite immature , it's like calling someone questioning string theory a "science denier" ... just hyperbolic nonsense.

So these kids protesting throwing paint at paintings , blocking roads etc - its not generating any sympathy to their cause.

Maybe if they tried doing volunteer environmental work, cleaning litter, planting trees etc . we could take them more seriously.

tayto lover · 28-10-2022 10:33AM

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They don't like being educated. They're supposed to be ahead of you.

cnocbui · 28-10-2022 10:48AM

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Not Antarctica, it's putting on ice mass and just had the lowest six monthly temperature average ever recorded there.

cnocbui · 28-10-2022 10:49AM

At least someone knows how to treat these climate retards properly:

Climate activists have found themselves in a bit of a conundrum after launching a protest in Germany.

Members of Scientist Rebellion, who are a collection of academics 'calling for a climate revolution', glued themselves to the concrete floor of the Porsche pavilion in Autostadt and the Volkswagen luxury cars exhibit in Wolfsburg.

The Daily Mail says staff at the dealership let the protestors continue their demonstration throughout the day.

However, when clock-off time arrived for the employees, they switched off the lights and heating and left the activists by themselves.

One of the protestors has taken to Twitter to complain about how staff at the car manufacturer didn't do anything to help them.

Gianluca Grimalda said: "They refused our request to provide us with a bowl to urinate and defecate in a decent manner while we are glued, and have turned off the heating."

cnocbui · 28-10-2022 10:54AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119802787#Comment_119802787

World Health Organization: Wind Turbine Noise as a Health Hazard (opening recognition likely to lead to more acknowledgement)

https://www.masterresource.org/wind-turbine-noise-issues/wto-wind-turbine-noise-as-a-health-hazard/

Irish Wind Farm Study Proves Turbine Noise Causes Disease

October 20, 2015

WIND farms can contribute to people getting diseases such as cancer and heart attacks, two leading Irish health experts have warned.

They say that noises emitting from turbines lead to sleep deprivation that can cause cancer and heart disease, along with a number of other illnesses.

Professor Graham Roberts, head of the Department of Endocrinology at University Hospital, Waterford, and Professor Alun Evans, an expert in public health at Queen’s University, Belfast, met Alan Kelly yesterday to warn the Environment Minister that the current guidelines in Ireland are a cause for alarm.

https://stopthesethings.com/2015/10/20/irish-wind-farm-study-proves-turbine-noise-causes-disease/

TomTomTim · 28-10-2022 10:54AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119803540#Comment_119803540

One of the protestors has taken to Twitter to complain about how staff at the car manufacturer didn't do anything to help them.

This really highlights the narcissism of these types. They come in and cause chaos in someone business, yet still expect to be cared for by the same people.

28-10-2022 11:18AM

They all look the same, sound the same. Attention seekers, the lot of them. Desecrating art, even if done so in the presence of glass, is an outrageous offense. They're hypocrites, too - as they want the laws changed to accommodate their extremism on the climate question but are perfectly happy to trample on as many laws as possible to achieve that goal.

Yes, they got attention. Negative attention. Nobody is going to commit their lives to eco-extremism on the back of their actions.

Instead, our combined hatred of these people and their supposed cause has only grown wider - much wider.

Legitimate protest is fine. And would have the advantage of actually bringing some of the population with them.

Seriously, how sad do you have to be to enter a museum and lob tomato soup on a painting?

Mindless, sad, attention-seeking losers - the lot of them. I pity them.

Now some old man is spraying orange paint on the front of a Rolex store.

The absolute state of these people.

cnocbui · 28-10-2022 11:39AM

Rolex are well known for their extensive fossil fuel exploration and extraction. I think this is really just the anti capitalist cretins of a few years ago, now pretending they give a shit about the environment when it's just some weird ongoing, seething hatred of humanity and their experience of it.

28-10-2022 11:45AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119803774#Comment_119803774

That's pretty much it.

Communism and anti-capitalism has evolved over the past number of decades. But like some nasty virus, it reconstitutes itself into a different variant from time to time.

The same people who block roads and throw tomato soup on art are exactly the same anti-capitalists, pro-BLM, pro-Woke types.

kowloon · 28-10-2022 12:16PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119803571#Comment_119803571

You're hardly catching the auld cancer from a turbine though. Noisy neighbours, barking dogs, the rock and roll music that the kids are into these days, they can all cause sleep deprivation. Shift work kills people early.

Still, they shouldn't be building wind farms near residential areas.

kowloon · 28-10-2022 12:17PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119802789#Comment_119802789

I never said anything about anything being produced from carbon-neutral sources.

cnocbui · 28-10-2022 12:52PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119803932#Comment_119803932

The second quote I included mentioned cancer as likely resulting from sleep deprivation. And don't go getting cute about confabulating occasional lifestyle sleep deprivation with chronic long term sleep deprivation from something like a wind farm/turbine which will be there for decades or life.

There are calls to at least double onshore wind in Ireland, but most of the best sites have been taken already and the remaing and less suitable sites have significant environmental problems and issues. They should not be building any more windfarms or putting lone turbines in high density areas. How the fuc* did this rank stupidity ever get approved?

https://www.limerickpost.ie/2022/09/28/retention-permission-for-wind-turbine-on-outskirts-of-limerick-city/

Attempting to destroy famous paintings because fossil fuels

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