Leinster v Munster match thread

Clegg · 23-10-2022 01:20PM

That's a very good spot. The TV replays and commentators focused on the offload, but not that Ringrose had made his way from the other wing in anticipation of the attack. It's the sign of a well coached side and an excellent player that he knew the pass would come and that he got in position to receive it.

Ringrose has put in three motm worthy performances in a row. Got the award vs the Sharks, and was our best player against Connacht even though he didn't get the nod. McGrath played well last night but Doris or Ringrose were better.

RichieRich_89 · 23-10-2022 01:24PM

I think some of Ryan's actions at the breakdown are quite questionable; the way he flies in making no attempt to stay on his feet, and showing little to no concern for his own safety or that of others.

Dubinusa · 23-10-2022 01:50PM

After watching it again, I thought that G Coombes was quite good. He was part of an overwhelmed pack and he competed and put in a big shift. His workrate was great. Hodnett too was industrious. But, Loughman was my pick of the Munster pack. He was mullered at tight head, but at loose head he was very good. I think he's going to get into the national squad.

Rowntree imo, should move on from Kilcoyne. Loughmsn and Wycherly should be the focus. Both are younger and I think both are better scrummagers. It's also hard to criticize Knox, he's basically a new born in terms of a tight head. Whether he develops into a top end tight head, is another thing. I would use him going forward.

From a Leinster perspective, the amount of errors is killing them. They will not beat the elite sides unless they eliminate the errors! They really have not clicked fully yet. Again. Deegan was brilliant. I was pleased to see him put in a good performance. JOB was very good again. He's becoming a fantastic player. Very strong under the high ball and good in defense.

The match itself was ok. The sloppiness added to the spectacle. I would think the rematch will be a better game. Munster will have their wounded back and should be clicking better.

Dave_The_Sheep · 23-10-2022 02:05PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119781672#Comment_119781672

Ah if you can't take the piss out of your own fanbase, who can you take the piss out of.

23-10-2022 02:45PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119782192#Comment_119782192

Healy is a speed bump. You used to he able to get away with that at 10 but its tough. You absolutely cannot get away with that at 12.

I’m not just basing that on his missed tackle yesterday on mcgrath. Its basically every time i see him play.

Looking through the other provinces, there arent really any good depth options available next summer. So, they probably keep him as third 10.

Clegg · 23-10-2022 02:49PM

Luke McGrath is a deceptively strong carrier to be fair. Always makes good metres when he's running on to a pass. Carried through Barron earlier in the game and also Kilcoyne for the try as well.

23-10-2022 02:54PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119783257#Comment_119783257

Hawkshaw ran over healy in the connacht game and there are other examples. It’s not a one time thing.

I’ll be honest though. I’ve never rated him so i might be biased.

He has a great boot and he might have the best long range pass in ireland. And, thats it.

He makes run pass kick decisions early and too far from the line so defenders can very often tell what he is doing. That decision is almost always run sideways and shovel it on.

i just dont think he has very good instincts and he is too big a man to be such a weak tackler.

sydthebeat · 23-10-2022 03:34PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119782825#Comment_119782825

Go stuck a Lemon Richie

RichieRich_89 · 23-10-2022 05:13PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119783410#Comment_119783410

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TRC10 · 23-10-2022 05:47PM

I find the levels of praise Munster are getting for this match extraordinary. The only thing that stopped Leinster from racking up a cricket score, was Leinster. They left about four easy tries out there in the first half.

I know they had a lot of injuries, and they showed a lot of fight, to be fair to them. But let's not make it into something it wasn't. Leinster dominated that game but were just extremely wasteful. They cut through Munster with ease multiple times around the halfway line, only to make basic errors in the 22. McGrath going himself when he should have passed. Healy flinging it into Osborne's face. Sheehan stupidly diving over the line and getting held up when he should have just recycled and countless other knock ons from various players.

I'm not trying to have a go at Munster here. I think they acquitted themselves really well given their circumstances. Crowley is a baller. And I think they're clearly improving. But I'm hearing stuff like "they caused Leinster huge problems" and "Leinster got out of jail" and its rubbish. Leinster caused Leinster huge problems.

aloooof · 23-10-2022 06:18PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119783876#Comment_119783876

I can’t say I’ve come across anyone say something to the extent of “Leinster got out of jail” (I never thought they were in real jeopardy of losing) but the reason Munster are attracting praise is because 1) it’s evidence we’re going in the right direction; this is a team that lost to Dragon’s, what, 4 weeks ago?

And 2) as I said earlier, the level of personnel we had vs the level of personnel Leinster had. I posted the following in the Munster thread. That’s a huge part of the context.

https://twitter.com/Colliniho/status/1583953710258216961?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1583953710258216961%7Ctwgr%5E755b657b10b68da826c92bd952fe03a36aaf4571%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.boards.ie%2Fdiscussion%2F2057957948%2Fmunster-team-talk-thread-vii-the-larkham-asylum%2Fp473

Madeoface · 23-10-2022 06:19PM

This thread was heading into some strange places..

I agree with TRC10, Munster were not up to much. Despite only going in 1 PT up at half time I didn't doubt with the bench and more of the same, Leinster would pull away.

It's a sad state of affairs for Munster and down to the mistake of going with JVG for 2 or 3 years longer than they should. The suits would want to look long and hard at what they've done to the province down there...

I agree with all being said about the Aviva, terrible experience for such a great stadium.

cuttingtimber22 · 23-10-2022 06:22PM

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Maybe - but Munster gifted Leinster a try. Munster left a try on the field towards the end (similar to your Leinster examples). Looking at gifs online James Ryan could well have had a yellow. The first Leinster try was technically a penalty and another ref may have spotted it. Munster definitely had the worse luck with key injuries - Kleyn was a massive loss.

I suggest banking your BP win - roll on 26th Dec in TP.

23-10-2022 06:22PM

Munster should find this game encouraging because the players they should be building their next good team around played well. That’s basically all there is to it.

I personally think they should find it very encouraging because Crowley even at 15 showed he has the skillset of an elite 10, and elite 10s are rare. But, i’m possibly higher than him than most.

The only slight worry from a leinster pov would be their set piece. They really should have had more dominance at scrum time. I need to look up the numbers but i thought the lineout was messy enough too. They should have scored like 3 more tries but i think they will clean that up.

lawrencesummers · 23-10-2022 06:31PM

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People giving the defense no credit just dont understand the game.

Sure osbourne should have scored, but cian healy isnt a 9. The reason mcgrath wasnt in place was pressure and work rate by the defense. The reason the ball was not grounded past the line twice was workrate not leinster mistakes.

Sure leinster could and should have scored more, but the reason they didn't is down to munster defence forcing errors AND Leinster making errors.

Lost Ormond · 23-10-2022 07:27PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119782192#Comment_119782192

Ben isnt near robust enough to be a 12, He hasnt really ever been tried as a 12 and dont see it happeneing..

Akrasia · 23-10-2022 07:42PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119784291#Comment_119784291

Healy isn't a center. He might possibly make a good 15 if he can work on his fielding, it would be nice to have him on the field just for his long range kicking. If Carbery or Crowley took most of the penalties but Healy took the long distance ones to punish teams for mistakes inside the middle third of the pitch

Akrasia · 23-10-2022 07:44PM

But tbh, I think he wants to play 10 and would likely leave before converting to a different position

Lost Ormond · 23-10-2022 07:55PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119784384#Comment_119784384

I dont think he is a 15 either. Crowley is far more likely to play positions other than 10.

Homesick Alien · 23-10-2022 08:00PM

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Homesick Alien · 23-10-2022 08:04PM

@lawrencesummers Look if you enjoy the atmosphere of a sales convention at your rugby matches that's great, personally I would prefer 10 or 15k people who are into the match and actual fans than 45k who don't really care. That's not what I go to matches for. If I want zero atmosphere I can save my few bob and watch from home.

Lost Ormond · 23-10-2022 08:04PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119784477#Comment_119784477

Who exactly are you referring this to? You do need atmosphere at games but where do you replace the money from the extra people going to these games in Aviva. These games in Aviva are big earners that would be crazy to lose..

Homesick Alien · 23-10-2022 08:07PM

Lawrencesummers but phone won't let me quote for some reason. Just seems a weird attitude to have that money is more important than atmosphere and the experience of a live sporting event. It's a Leinster thing I guess..

Homesick Alien · 23-10-2022 08:10PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119781991#Comment_119781991

I know it's gas - they just stole it. But it's the Fisher Price version just played over the tannoy after every score. Just embarrassing.

Lost Ormond · 23-10-2022 08:12PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119784531#Comment_119784531

Its not a Leinster thing. The extra income is huge and its easy money, in post covid times even more vital as groups still are trying to get back to normal. Many games do have poor atmosphere but i think thats a lot of the people who do go to these games especially when Leinster have won this tie so much recently it doesnt help atmosphere either.

Akrasia · 23-10-2022 08:15PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119784456#Comment_119784456

Oh right now he's far from a good 15. he would need to go through a porter style conversion process. His best attributes are his long range kicking and his long range passing. Both of those are desirable as a 15. What we would lose in dynamic ball carrying, we could gain in kick transition and exiting from our 22

He would need to vastly improve his fielding and last ditch tackling, but if he didn't have to concentrate on playmaking he could play to his strengths

cuttingtimber22 · 23-10-2022 08:17PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119784514#Comment_119784514

Well if there is a crap atmosphere do you think people will want to see them again - at RDS or LR? It’s an expensive day out for many but I have heard a few comments to say ‘will not be bothered next year’…

aloooof · 23-10-2022 08:17PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119784531#Comment_119784531

It’s not just a Leinster thing tho, it’s the realities of professional sport, especially post-Covid, unfortunately. I’d absolutely prefer 10k invested fans bringing a brilliant atmosphere every week too, but I also absolutely understand clubs trying to maximise their incomes.

We’ve seen 2 clubs in England go to the wall in the last few weeks; rugby isn’t popular enough to be able to take any additional income for granted, unfortunately.

aloooof · 23-10-2022 08:22PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119784599#Comment_119784599

Even so, I’d be surprised to see it fall below, say 37k attendance; that’s still double the RDS capacity.

salmocab · 23-10-2022 08:24PM

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People say that every year, people moan about it every year, people come back every year.

It gets blown out of proportion, yes it’s annoying but I find the most annoying people the ones who have to let everyone within 10 seats know how knowledgeable they are of the game. I much prefer the RDS but a couple of games like this a year is fine with me if it goes towards keeping the lights on.

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