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Dairy Chitchat 4, an udder new thread.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,084 ✭✭✭kevthegaff


    Was talking to a lad in frs and he maintained the slower growing trees from Scandinavia make better stakes. Irish conifers grow fast



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,149 ✭✭✭RightTurnClyde


    As i head out at 5am on a wet and windy sunday morning, heres Luke our mep cutting the hole out of dairy and beef farming https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMFkdqFQb/

    and they wonder why the farmers have bad mental health



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,392 ✭✭✭ginger22


    And how much food had that a,,,,,e produce in his life. Amazing the way the likes of him can knock everything but has no solutions. Perhaps if farmers were paid a viable price for their products our vegetable growers wouldnt be quitting.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,214 ✭✭✭straight


    He's on the farmers side when it suits him to get a few votes. Like his big stand at the ploughing as one example.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 695 ✭✭✭3 the square




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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 3,632 Mod ✭✭✭✭K.G.


    In fairness ye are being too hard on him .he has a fierce interest in grass.......



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,491 ✭✭✭Tonynewholland


    Nice to see he's wearing all his clothes this time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,292 ✭✭✭Good loser


    He's just playing with words. If we're No 1 in the world for food security that's just what we are. Sovereignty doesn't come into it. We're not self sufficient in food - only North Korea has that distinction nowadays. De Valera was at that crack from 1933 to 1956 until realism and commonsense took over and consigned his policies to the dustbin. Which is the rightful place for them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,392 ✭✭✭ginger22




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,162 ✭✭✭Neddyusa


    In what way was it misleading?

    I watched it a few weeks back and what was discussed was confirmed again in oireachteas committee last week.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,036 ✭✭✭✭Birdnuts


    In some ways I'm not surprised seeing how Copa Cogea go about their business as lobbyist in the EU ie. a crowd whose real agenda is often at odds with smaller/medium sized farmers



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,039 ✭✭✭roosky


    question for the dairy farmers...from a sheep farmer.

    I have been talking to a lot of friends that are milking and they are all talking about clearing nearly €1,000 a cow....would ye agree with this figure, most these lads are in or around the 80 to 100 cows with one labour unit so its probably the optimum..

    My question is, if there is a €1,000 a cow to be made why aren't there more 40 cow farms which would mean a good wage of 40k and BPS on top of that....why is there an idea out there that you need 80 or 100 cows to make a go of dairying?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,036 ✭✭✭✭Birdnuts


    I thought that discussion was among tds and farming orgs on the basis of what they heard from yer man who made the apology mentioned above??



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 865 ✭✭✭Pinsnbushings


    From my experience there is probably as much work most of the year outside of calving maybe, with 40 cows as 80 cows especially as the 80 cow farmer has probably got better facilities., But there isn't the spare cash to employ a regular relief milker, there isn't the repayment capacity to borrow much to improve the place. Eventually the depreciation catches up on you.

    Also the fixed costs aren't diluted as much, such as insurance, vehicle tax, subscription to the likes of icbf etc. These cost the same on a 40 cow farm as an 80 cow farm.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,039 ✭✭✭roosky


    That makes sense….So realistically the 40 cow man can’t make €1000 a cow due to poor economies of scale and is making maybe €700 a cow ?

    still a good income from a 50 acre farm. And payments on top of that, it would take a lot of sheep to make 28k on 50 acres and you would need to sell 5 acres a year to make it out of sucklers !!!



  • Posts: 214 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Your probably right about the €700 mark but I can’t say for sure, I’m milking 50 cows and go from 1 year to the next with not much spare money to invest into the farm. Often feel like I’m working everyday to pay a bunch of people. If you have poor facilities it’s a killer job, will wear you out. Has me worn out anyway. Theirs so many variables in farming, how good you are, markets, and what money is leaving the farm to pay for other things outside of your control. You’d have to spend time on a dairy farm at the height of calving to know if it’s for you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,570 ✭✭✭Mooooo


    You've answered you're own question there. Not everyone is making those returns and a lot depends on farm development layout etc. Breaking it down to per hour worked can show a different story at times also. most of those margins likely include the sfp



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,862 ✭✭✭✭Green&Red


    I'd say that includes payments, as does the €1,000 figure



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 4,705 Mod ✭✭✭✭Siamsa Sessions


    Don't forget the repayments to the bank if you have to borrow to build the parlour, put up cubicles, dig more effluent tanks for Bord Bia standards, buy heifers, etc.

    I've recently left sheep, have a calf-to-beef enterprise now, and seriously looking at cows (again). So, the figures and pros/cons are in my head most of the time.

    As mentioned above, scale is the issue for investments. Say it took €50k to get set up. The farmer milking 60 cows thru that parlour will pay back his loan quicker than the farmer milking 40 cows, so he'll pay €1,000s less in interest over the loan period. Having said that, I'm not saying bigger is better. But it is a factor all the same.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 3,632 Mod ✭✭✭✭K.G.


    It's the level of reinvesting that kills it.if you didn't stay with the constant investment you eventually come to a point where its not viable anymore due to sheer amount that has to be spent.i could be wrong about this but I often think that people think there s great money in milking cows because they see constant spending on infrastructure whereas the reality is you have to keep spending to stay 9n the business.for instance thermoduric testing on the milk and the new dry cow tube regime has meant housing standard s and hygiene has to jump up a level and if you don't make the jump you will eventually be out of the business.it stuff like this and other regs changing that means you constantly spending to keep up.and often those investments are worthless if you left milking



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 254 ✭✭fulldnod


    i wudnt get carried away with this year, we will never see a year like this again and wudnt believe everything you hear, eg yesterday i was talking to a farmer telling me he is getting 77c for sept, he never me told they milked 11lts/day. i would look at 5 or 10 year averages, that kind of money is achievable but will take 15 years+ if you are good enough. when you are expanding, you are always reinvesting. you dont need 100 cows either, the best herd of cows my milk man collects is 60 cows



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,214 ✭✭✭straight


    Sounds like one of the guys from glanbia that were crying when his neighbours saw his milk statement.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,214 ✭✭✭straight


    I see teagasc are now openly admitting that they have no idea how many farmers will be affected by their half thought out banding system.

    Also they have no idea how it can be implemented.

    Meanwhile, one farm in china is expanding to 500,000 cows. Importing all the feed....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,975 ✭✭✭✭mahoney_j


    If they took the liberty of listening to others when dreaming up those bands it would of been something …..yet another fook up by our advisory body

    hopefully this gets shoved out and proper full industry analysis is done and all the various submissions that were put forward will be taken on board



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,214 ✭✭✭straight


    Think it just landed on the desk after lunch on a Friday. 😉



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,570 ✭✭✭Mooooo


    Was explained already I'm sure, bands came from Europe, if we had more the associated N with each one would adjust accordingly. Can't read the article but the problem seems to be the dep of ag don't have access to our milk supply data so can't make the calculation



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,438 ✭✭✭jaymla627


    Behind a paywall but it appears a nuclear option could be taken according to Aidans headline, that really would put the cat among the pigeons,




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,324 ✭✭✭alps


    Is it possible to get farmers to hold from giving their information that will spill the beans on their colleagues?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,438 ✭✭✭jaymla627


    They don't seem to have the authority to obtain it under Gdpr, the co-ops/icbf seem to be the only third parties they can obtain it from so unless one of these get milk suppliers to agree to let them provide the department with this, they can whistle for it, it seems....

    Knowing glanbia they'll probably pass a motion for next years milk supply purchasing document that they're allowed to provide the department with your milk supply details but then again after their f**k up a few weeks ago they mighten either



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,700 ✭✭✭GrasstoMilk


    the option touted in the article is that everyone goes into the top band and if a farmer supplies the milk data which shows they would be in a different band they will do so



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