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Why is Dublin such a shιtty city?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,150 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    O Connell St isn't a destination is it? It's just bus stops, somewhere you pass through.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,992 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 984 ✭✭✭Butson


    Nobody in Ireland is poor, apart from those working on low wages.

    Multi generational welfare families are far from poor. I worked in a school in the inner city for 6 years - I know what I'm talking about here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,317 ✭✭✭Mister Vain


    There was a lot more than one plastic bag. Did you even see the video?



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 23,069 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?



    Sometimes I wonder if your posts are satire. it would explain how you can be so wrong every time and be completely oblivious to it.


    Fear of punishment does not prevent crime. There are massive swathes of data that show a rehabilitation based approach works. We just don’t do it very well in Ireland.


    If fear or punishment worked Australia would be empty and the murder rate in Texas would be zero. Have you ever actually tried to expand your knowledge before posting on a subject?

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,150 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Don't waste your time. He's part of that bitter old man cohort you see all over social media and the journal comments. Nothing positive to say about anything. Anti-everything - immigration, cyclists, any green initiatives, the EU. All "junkies" should be locked up etc. And all of them have that "Dublin is the biggest kip in Europe" line. Never anything good to say. It can be disheartening seeing the views of people like this but they are overrepresented on social media and sites like this because the clever people with positive attitudes and progressive views are busy doing other things, like I should be really...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,351 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    At the moment at least once a week. Before covid about twice a week but I did work for years in the city centre near Abbey Street which meant I went by Marlborogh Street daily. I knew who the dealers were as did the cops. The problem was every time they moved them they would going to areas where families and kids were so they leave them there instead.

    I also lived in North Strand for years and that was quite rough at the time. It really has gentrified a lot since my time there. Lots of professionals living there now. With all the new builds the local population will jump up a lot but the new residents are likely to be well paid. I know north inner city Dublin very well. It is very rough in parts. They should have demolished lots of old corporation properties and moved the residents out that were there rather than repeatedly revamp them for the locals to destroy again. Sean Mc Dermott Street could have been a high end area at one point and provided a lot of money for new social housing further out in better mixed developments



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr



    Never mentioned fear of punishment preventing crime, incarceration prevents crime. It's a fairly straightforward system.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr




  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 23,069 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 23,069 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    I know. It’s like he’s a bot spewing out grumpy old man quotes. I find it quite entertaining

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,091 ✭✭✭✭John_Rambo


    OK, it's been pointed out that the tent is not a homeless person in the middle of O'Connell st, it's clearly & obviously a protest.

    And, the good people of Dublin walk around the whole city. I myself and a few others walked up O'Connell st. from our bus stop to a restaurant on Parnell Sq a few days ago and probable will do again tomorrow. Do you ever go to Dublin? Do you not see lots of people walking around?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,351 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    It really doesn't. It is long proven that fear of being caught is the best deterrent not the punishment. If people feel they won't get caught they will commit crimes. Locking people away on the rare occasions they get caught doesn't stop the people they didn't catch.


    The problem is that doesn't work for accountants as less people committing crimes makes people think they therefore don't need as much police but that increases crime. People assume well if we lock the people away who commuted the crimes the crimes will stop but ignore the above and the goal is to prevent crime not punish people.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 23,069 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    I agree, prevention is the goal. But prevention requires a concerted effort towards creating equality of opportunity. The communities that were ravaged by heroin problems in the 80s and 90s are relatively calm and peaceful now because the kids grew up and go jobs. That's the key, a buoyant and fair labour market.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    If you have some fine young chap wondering around with two dozen convictions then having locked him up for a nice long stretch around the half dozen convictions mark would certainly have prevented the rest of his crimes. Your thing about less police due to more incarceration is a complete non sequitor.

    Not to mention that your fear of punishment as a deterrent is only achievable by having an actual punishment to be afraid of.

    Tallaght, Ballymun, Finglas, Sean McDermott street etc. are all relatively calm and peaceful... relative to what? 😂

    The only thing those communities have going for them is that they now have an older age profile but the plan to have immigration from the less salubrious parts of the globe address that issue will soon reverse that reprieve, not to mention the preponderace of firearms that were not around in the 80s



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,992 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Is it time we give up on Dublin's O'Connell Street? · TheJournal.ie

    It has a footfall of over 100,000 people per day, but the proof is in the eating: Cleary’s didn’t close down because of evil capitalists and their machinations, it closed down because not enough people out of that 100,000 stopped, walked in and bought stuff every day.

    The beating heart of Dublin is not actually O’Connell Street. It’s more diffused. It makes my northsider heart bleed to say it, but I would say that the heart of Dublin now sits in between Aungier-Camden Street to Stephens Green.

    Again, why is this so? Why is O’Connell Street and its environs not attracting the fancy restaurants in tight clusters and the shoppers in droves?

    Secondly, O’Connell Street is just in close proximity to a lot of undesirables. It is the street in Dublin, with a few of the ones around it also vying for the award, where you are guaranteed a drug user some 50 metres up the road.

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    O'Connell St will never improve if Dubliners don't admit there is a problem.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,351 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    You will never get to a state of equal opportunity and the best you can hope for is a base level of opportunity.

    The ravaging of areas by heroin were always overblown. Very small proportion of people were heroin addicts. The issues are much more ingrained within their social demographics. The reverse snobbery of people claiming to be "salt of the earth" is the bigger issue. Doing well in school is frowned upon as are many intellectual pursuits. Even reading a book can be seen as being weird in many a households.

    Parents who hated school aren't bothered about making sure their kids go. Even simple social lessons are hard to instill in children because of parents. I remember the principle came in to my primary school class to tell students that spitting on the ground was bad manners and not allowed in school grounds and should never be done while walking to and from school. Then later that day as we are leaving there were parents waiting for their children and there were some spitting on the ground as they normally did. Met the principle later in life and told him this memory and how even as a child I realised that some people were just always going to be ill mannered at the least. He told me that as kids came in on their first days you could pretty much immediately tell which would need more help with acceptable behavior.

    When I grew up my house was full of books but some other peoples' houses had none at all other than school books. The internet is actually a big equaliser in term of access but if it is not the done thing in that household kids won't choose to learn for fun.

    Some people have no real idea of how to be do anything other than their parents which has lead to generational state dependents who class dealing with social welfare as a job. Kids arrive on their 18 birthdays to sign on is a real thing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,663 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Definitely agree that O'Connell st. could do with some sort of revamp, but think it's stupid if that's allowed to feed into the old notion of, "DUBLIN CITY IS A NO-GO AREA. ABANDON ALL HOPE YE WHO ENTER HERE."

    Obviously, the amount of footfall its streets get on an average day from tourists and locals alike is a solid indication that this old opinion of Dublin being some sort of junkie-infested hellscape is not shared by the majority of people. And that opinion is hardly new, either, so even if the realisation needed time to 'bed-in', that point has never arrived.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 119 ✭✭slither12


    This topic has been done to death but I have to say that I agree, Dublin really is a kip.

    I do feel grateful to live in a wealthy but compared to our European neighbours and even North America, Dublin (and Ireland in general), has a long way to improve.

    When you travel to any other developed countries capital, the cities look way better than Dublin. Neve mind the buildings, you won't see the huge amounts of homeless, tents, and needles strewn around Manhattan, Westminste, or Paris.

    Yes every city has these problems, but they keep it away from the tourist areas. Even LA which has a way worse homeless population is easy to navigate and avoid with simple tourist guides.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,351 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    You just haven't looked at the data. It is very simple crime rate does not go down when you increase the sentences and prison population. If it worked I would agree with it but it doesn't.

    The repeat offense rate of prisoners is lowest when rehabilitation is used not harsher and increased prison terms. Crimes are committed less where chances of getting caught are higher.

    None of your view will change the known data no matter how hard you believe something else. We know your way doesn't work it really is that simple.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,150 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    You could say the same about the whole country though. Our towns and villages are mostly depressing kips, compare them to French or German or Italian towns of the same size.

    Compare Cork to Montpellier for example, similar populations but Montpellier is absolutely beautiful and has excellent transport systems.

    Our countryside is a massive beef and dairy farm with the least amount of nature and trees in Europe, horrible sitka spruce plantations galore and gaudy one off mansions.

    It's a national pastime to hate on Dublin, but it's not like the rest of the country is perfect either.

    Oh and there are homeless people all over London, everywhere. They just aren't as concentrated in one place as Dublin. In Hackney where I live there are loads of homeless, you don't see as many in the central tourist areas though.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 23,069 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    I don’t really disagree strongly with anything you posted. I grew up in Tallaght in the 80s and fully recognise what you’re talking about.


    for this part: “The ravaging of areas by heroin were always overblown. Very small proportion of people were heroin addicts.”


    Thats not how it felt growing up in the middle of it. Houses being broken into, people being mugged etc. in our own estate was unheard of until the heroin epidemic. There was always a “you don’t rob your own” mentality before that. It was horrible. Every tree in my local park was cut down and all the bushes cleared because you couldn’t walk through it day or night. Once the methadone program became successful all of that eased off almost completely.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,351 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    People really don't know how to compare countries and cities. Montpellier has a long history of wealth in a region with a long history of wealth from a country with a long history of wealth. It is the second largest city in a region of a similar population to are entire country but still has the back up of a much larger country.

    Economies of scale apply a long with the historical wealth. It is like comparing 2 people of the same age and jobs on the same wages and declaring them the same while ignoring one of them inherited 2 houses in the most expensive parts of the city. I blame the lack of maths understanding from the general public for not understanding. Same as people claiming they pay 50% income tax because they don't understand how they are actually taxed. Most people don't actually know the % of their income tax from their earnings but they will say they pay 50% income tax



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,150 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    I know all this, but how many times do we see people saying "Dublin is a total kip, I went to Zurich/Vienna/Munich and it had amazing trains and transport and the place was so clean and there were no scumbags" etc.

    Dublin and Ireland can't be compared to these places which have been some of the richest places in the world for centuries.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 296 ✭✭Ham_Sandwich


    the usual suspects out looking to throw everyone into jail and lock away the keys they tried putting people in jail in america and look how that turned out



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,663 ✭✭✭✭briany


    You'd have to pair the harsh sentencing with an alternative for drug dealers. So, you'd have to say to them 'if you go here, we'll come down on you like a tonne of bricks.... but if you go here, we'll look the other way.' It's basically the Hamsterdam idea from The Wire. Drug dealing and drug taking are going to happen. Unless you tackle nebulous social problems which give rise to drug addiction, the best you're going to be able to do is to move the problem away from where you have your regular law-abiding people.

    As for revamping O'Connell street, what are the lease rates like? I would have thought they're sky high for that part of the city in a city already known for it's rent problem. In addition to tackling the drug problems, there has to be good financial incentive for retailers to set up there.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 23,069 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    “The only thing those communities have going for them is that they now have an older age profile but the plan to have immigration from the less salubrious parts of the globe address that issue will soon reverse that reprieve”


    In case anyone doesn’t know what a racist dog whistle is, this is a great example. You’re on fire today!

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    You mean the crime rates dropped?

    Heaven forbid that such a thing would happen here😂


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,936 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    Hmmm… would there be 100-150 hard core scrotes causing the problems around O’Connell St.

    I would suggest that that might be around the number.

    Im sure the Gardai have a good idea who they are and what they are up to, illegal cigs, drug taking and dealing, violence, fist fights in broad daylight, roaring into mobile phones, drinking and mugging.

    Sean Citizen and Joe Tourist who goes into DCC to relax and enjoy him/her self doesn’t want anything to do with that fcukkery.

    Not interested in data showing this ,that , and the divil and all, just want an evening to spend their dosh, relax, enjoy themselves and not have these scrotes in their grill or area.

    If they are not able to do that they won’t come near the place and we will have the situation where these scrotes, unless they are tackled, kill the area slowly but surely.

    Ignoring them is a non runner, spouting about ‘data’ this and ,data that won’t solve the immediate problem.

    People will not go near the place to enjoy themselves, nobody with any sense will set up there and a hard core of around 150 people will turn it into a wasteland.

    Its happening at the moment..



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    Dead on, the notion that people who have shown repeatedly that they have no intentions of abiding by the law should be wandering around free range inflicting their lawlessness on the populace is morally repugnant.



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