Ireland Team Talk XII: Farrell's First Fifteen

Must love hardship · 19-10-2022 02:14PM

Given the size of the squad and A squad there is very little to argue about.

Great to see marty Moore back and but strange that both marty and roman salanoa are both included as play in same position.

Maybe slightly dissapointed that Doak is not included but might be added to the squad yet depending on JGP and Caseys knocks

Clegg · 19-10-2022 02:15PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119765404#Comment_119765404

Sorry, must have overlooked his name.

19-10-2022 02:16PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119765417#Comment_119765417

I read the presence of the two tight heads in the A squad to mean Tom O'Toole might get some meaningful minutes for Ireland, which would be good to see.

Dubinusa · 19-10-2022 02:19PM

Disappointed for Doak! Also Disappointed that Healy and Murray are still involved. I don't think they'll survive until the world cup.

Nash is a strange one! I thought he'd be way off the radar. Obviously, there's no concern for Beirne atm.

phog · 19-10-2022 02:20PM

Am I correct in saying that the following players were in SA an the emerging Irealnd Squad but do not appear in either squad listed the Autumn games.

Thomas Clarkson

Sam Illo

Michael Milne

Callum Reid

Josh Wycherley

Tom Stewart

Dylan Tierney-Martin

Brian Deeny

Cormac Izuchukwu

James Culhane

John Hodnett

Alex Kendellen

Alex Soroka

Nathan Doak

Michael McDonald

Jake Flannery

Antoine Frisch

Stewart Moore

Andrew Smith

Ethan McIlroy

Chay Mullins

Must love hardship · 19-10-2022 02:21PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119765434#Comment_119765434

Yeah hopefully that or Moore wasn't included for a number of years and they feel Salanoa is raw but talanted and needs more work within the irish set up..

5 tightheads. 4 loose heads and 4 hookers means plenty of scrum training..

TRC10 · 19-10-2022 02:24PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119765464#Comment_119765464

Given the injuries, I expected Nash to get in. He was really impressive on the EI tour and was good for Munster the other night.

TRC10 · 19-10-2022 02:27PM

We're clearly trying to get Healy to the world cup as our bak up LH, and I think it's suicide. The guy has been finished for about 2 years.

As for Murray and Carbery still being the backup halfbacks, I think we're massively shooting ourselves in the foot there.

This is McCloskey's big chance. He's in the form of his life this season and is one of only 3 centres in the squad. He won't get a better opportunity than this. If he doesn't take it, the "McCloskey get's treated so unfairly" arguments need to stop.

19-10-2022 02:30PM

Not sure how an Ulster scrum half isn't there on merit

phog · 19-10-2022 02:32PM

Pre World Cup game v England in the Aviva on Sat 19th August.

Must love hardship · 19-10-2022 02:36PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119765519#Comment_119765519

Maybe Bedhlam plays as back up Loosehead and TOT is back up tighthead.

Slight worry that kilkoyne is in the A squad and not one of the younger props.. if Porter hadn't swapped last year we'd be pretty fe(ked

19-10-2022 02:43PM

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Interesting slant to take on it.

How many did you realistically expect to make it?

14 guys from the tour are in the wider squad (incl A squad). 3 are injured (Kendellen, Soroka, Frisch).

At least 13 had no realistic ambitions of making this squad (Clarkson, Illo, Milne, Reid, Stewart, Deeny, Izuchukwu, Culhane, McDonald, Flannery, Smith, McIlroy & Mullins) as they aren't in their province's first 23's.

The only two who I think are unlucky not to be there are Nathan Doak and Stewart Moore.

If not for the Emerging Ireland tour, do you think it's likely Calvin Nash, Tom Ahern, Jack Crowley, Scott Penny and Roman Salanoa would be in the wider squad?

phog · 19-10-2022 02:47PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119765657#Comment_119765657

I put no slant on it.

No one but a fool could think the full EI Squad would feature in the AIs or in any future squad.

19-10-2022 02:57PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119765687#Comment_119765687

What was your point then?

Is 40% of the squad making this squad not deemed to be a good return?

Former Former Former · 19-10-2022 02:58PM

Dave Kilcoyne in the A squad is the biggest head scratcher for me, you'd think he'd either be in the senior squad or nowhere.

Good to see Marty Moore back in some capacity, seven and a half years since his last cap...

Shehal · 19-10-2022 03:01PM

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Its Ireland A rather than Emerging Ireland

Emerging Ireland was a u23 side bar afew players

Ireland A is a second string of the first choice Irish team, which it needs to be as NZL XV will be very difficult.

19-10-2022 03:01PM

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Yeah, same. Would have thought Josh Wycherley was the much more logical pick.

I think it's likely one of Cian Healy or Dave Kilcoyne will be in the three loose heads we bring to the RWC, so that's potentially where we're going, even though it should arguably be neither at this point.

Shehal · 19-10-2022 03:02PM

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Especially when you consider that Wycherley who is much younger and more likely to grow is being picked ahead of Kilcoyne for Munster.

Although with Munster playing SA XV midweek he will atleast get a decent run out against good opposition so maybe not the end of the world.

leakyboots · 19-10-2022 03:30PM

Nash is a very strange pick, best of luck to him obviously, a nice confidence booster!

leakyboots · 19-10-2022 03:33PM

Iain Henderson hasn't had an injury free run in years it seems like to me

Paul Smeenus · 19-10-2022 04:33PM

You could count on one hand the number of times he's played for Ulster over last season.

aloooof · 19-10-2022 04:44PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119765819#Comment_119765819

Especially when you consider that Wycherley who is much younger and more likely to grow is being picked ahead of Kilcoyne for Munster.

Is that accurate?? There's an element of not knowing for sure with the new coaching team, but I'm not sure he's ever been ahead of Killer.

RichieRich_89 · 19-10-2022 04:45PM

Great to see Stockdale in. I was thinking it was looking as if he'd be out for longer.

snotboogie · 19-10-2022 04:49PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119765495#Comment_119765495

Daly is more versatile, has a higher upside and had a better tour with EI. Its bizarre seeing Nash in the Irish squad, he's 5th, arguably 6th, in the Munster wing depth chart.

Paul Smeenus · 19-10-2022 04:53PM

Delighted, if slightly taken aback, to see Marty Moore in the A squad.

Personally, I would have had McIlroy over Nash, but given we've lost Baloucoune, Lowry and Stockdale from our back three and Addison's (inevitably) injured, glad he wasn't, from an Ulster point of view.

Not sure what the crack is with Doak.

McCloskey's Ireland resurgence happens to come when we've a head coach who likes off-loading. No surprise. It's understandable obviously that he's behind Ringrose, Aki and Henshaw, but he was always an ill fit with Schmidt's game plan.

Former Former Former · 19-10-2022 05:02PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119766381#Comment_119766381

Well, maybe that was part of the objective of the EI tour, to identify some guys who might be of more interest to the national coaches than their place in the provincial pecking order would indicate. If Nash fits that bill, fair play to him.

RichieRich_89 · 19-10-2022 05:03PM

Nash is probably a better right wing than Daly. The latter is more at home on the left - if he's playing wing - in my opinion.

phog · 19-10-2022 05:07PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119765781#Comment_119765781

You're reading something into a post that's not there.

As I said elsewhere you seem to want an argument so goodbye

Clegg · 19-10-2022 05:29PM

Don't think there are any contentious calls in the squad really. It's a selection of all the fit senior players; a sprinkling of very promising uncapped players; and an A side who are just as promising but a but further down the depth chart.

In recent years Farrell has gotten his selection right for the 23 and the wider squad. We're in a very good position right now, barring the injuries to Lowe, JGP, Henderson etc.

I'd rather be in our position now than Scotland's for instance. They've removed the captaincy from Hogg and dropped Russell from the squad altogether.

19-10-2022 05:42PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119766492#Comment_119766492

If I'm reading something into your post that wasn't there, then what was the point of the post? Because it clearly reads as criticism of the EI tour.

Ireland Team Talk XII: Farrell's First Fifteen

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