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BoJo banished - Liz Truss down. Is Rishi next for the toaster? **threadbans in OP**

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,068 ✭✭✭Shelga


    Mordaunt is terrible. She’s not answering a single question. Avoided apologising when questioned about one.

    “People want to hear from the Chancellor”

    ”People want to hear from the Chancellor”

    ”People want to hear from the Chancellor”

    -no matter what is asked. Gaslighting and bullshit, while the braying donkeys behind her let rip- it’s disgusting really.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,814 ✭✭✭joe40


    Is this a possibilty?

    Truss, to save whatever vestige of self esteem she has left, resigns. I have very little sympathy for her but she must be in awful place right now, unless she is totally delusional.

    The Tories manage to agree on a single candidate maybe Sunak or Hunt, but only one candidate so avoid the whole fiasco of multiple votes and then leaving it up to the membership.

    Have their PM and try to make it to the next election.



  • Posts: 710 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    you got a condescending response because you posted a load of absolute childish drivel.

    sorry if you can’t handle that.



  • Posts: 6,626 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Germanies problems are not systemic like the British problems. The Germans still sit on a huge pot of cash in personal and government savings. They have a local tempory problem that they have mostly contained in the short term.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,695 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    That's about their only way out of this. But even then, if the figures are as bad as has been hinted and swinging cuts come in, it could be bye, bye anyway when the public get angry.



  • Posts: 710 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Ok.

    which bit was incorrect?

    maybe you could like, you know, engage in some debate rather than just attacking the poster?



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,287 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Latest voting pattern analysis is UGLY reading for the Tories.

    Not only are they likely to get trounced in a future GE , they are also unlikely to be the leading Opposition party!!

    I will say though that the variance between "high seats" and "low seats" for the Tories is absolutely massive.

    The joys of FPTP voting I guess..

    So in reality they will be the official opposition , but amazing to think that they might not be if a GE was to happen soon.

    If anything this makes Truss' survival a bit more likely - Tories will want to hold on and try to solidify the high end of that forecast.. Massive difference between 48 seats and 192.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    Once Germany straightens out the energy mess, it will be back in business.

    It's one of the most productive corners of the planet, an incredibly diverse economy with its technology in demand at every point of the global value chain. If you peer around the room you're sitting in, there's dozens if not hundreds of German designed, engineered or manufactured inputs.

    The UK has transformed itself into the Channel Islands writ large coming down from a coke bender.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 43,536 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I've just remembered the time that that user was spouting conspiracy theories that Merkel was employed by Putin and Boris Johnson singlehandedly saved Ukraine from the Russians. Shouldn't have bothered.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,695 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    Your denial of the obvious Russian influence in the Conservative Party.

    Your support for a government running a country for their own private interests instead of those of the British people.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,068 ✭✭✭Shelga


    I’m actually starting to think there must be some reason that Truss isn’t there, outside of her being a complete coward. She’s either in the midst of a breakdown, or one of her family members is ill. I hope neither are true. But it doesn’t make any sense, at the moment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,695 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    Probably can't find her way out of 10 Downing Street... she's not living there long...



  • Posts: 710 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I pointed out where the arms are being manufactured though. Can you point to any of those companies that are owned by one of Boris’ mates from college

    the U.K. is continuing support it has been giving to the armed forces of the Ukraine since Russia annexed Crimea. It has been ongoing since before Boris was Prime minister, let alone the Russian invasion.

    but hey, maybe they should have just sent a few rosary needs and got someone to drive their tractor through the Russian embassy gates. That would have really shown them pesky Russians.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,331 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Wow shes arrived, what was going on?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,695 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    Well since Thales and BAE are both publicly traded companies, proving they're owned by Boris's mates is pretty much impossible. Their inclusion on the portfolio of any disaster capitalist is a given though and since Boris' good friend Jacob Rees Mogg's father literally wrote the book on that, it's safe to say their circle will be profiting from the war in Ukraine.

    Having actually worked for BAE at one point, I can assure you that the senior management are almost entirely the stereotypical, old-money, privately educated, Oxbridge types one would expect.

    I'm not arguing that Britain's support for Ukraine isn't a good thing. I'm saying that while I, or maybe even you, would have supported Ukraine out of moral principle, the same morality can't be ascribed to Johnson or his cabinet. These are the same people who let their own citizens die as a result of contracting their inner circle to provide over-priced, ineffective PPE during the Covid crisis. They act in their own interests, not those of others. Johnson was only delighted to make a show of supporting Ukraine as it let him play at being Churchill without having to deal with English soldiers dying while also lining the pockets of friends and key party donors (or the colloquial "his mates from college").



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,237 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    What is Truss up to? Wouldn't turn up for the urgent question from Starmer and lets Mordant take a pounding and then turns up before the new Chancellor gets to his feet. Is she of sound mind?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 883 ✭✭✭steinbock123


    Truss is sitting there looking like she’s on tranquillisers



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,706 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    I turned on sky news and I was thinking the same. She’s just sitting there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,010 ✭✭✭✭ArmaniJeanss




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,041 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    I think there's an argument to be made she's utterly overwhelmed and is having a psychological event.

    I don't say that to mock, it happens. When the Arab Israeli war of '48 started, apparently David Ben-Gurion spent three days in bed not knowing what to do. Churchill had a similar reaction when WWII broke out.

    It happens. You have the weight on the world of your shoulders and most people aren't built for it. Now Churchill and Ben-Gurion dusted themselves off and we know what happened, but it looks like Truss is mentally crushed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,706 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    Whoever is sitting opposite liz truss must be freaked out as she’s just staring straight ahead at them.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,287 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    We really are all just sitting here waiting for that proverbial straw to appear.

    She is surviving hour to hour at this stage - That's just not sustainable for anyone.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,030 ✭✭✭mikep


    Mordant doesn't look too impressed with Liz, she was beside Hunt as he was answering questions and looked like she was glaring at her. Mordant seems to have left now...it all looks shambolic!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,212 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    Not near a tv, is Truss now in the chamber? Why didn't she simply ask for the UQ to be delayed rather than have Mordaunt deal with it?

    IS she incapable of answering? from the posts above, it seems she has gone into the chamber, taken her seat and is just sitting there. For what?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,237 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    Well commentators are saying she didn't take the urgent question was because she wouldn't have survived the session. She has hung Penny Mordant out to dry, Mordant kept saying the PM was unavailable for a very good reason while being filleted and then Truss walks in as the Chancellor was about to speak. As @Yurt2 says above is she shell shocked at the moment? Surely this is not normal behaviour.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,287 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Such is the damage to her credibility and authority , it is actually genuinely possible that the Parliamentary party are not allowing her to speak because she's such a liability.

    Frightening to imagine but given all that has gone on, I would not be in the slightest bit surprised if that turned out to be the case.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,695 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    I don't think Truss had any say in the matter. She's the weekend at Bernie's PM. They'll drag her out to smile and wave but she's a political corpse who won't be allowed to make any decisions or speak to the public if it can be avoided at all

    It really is a humiliation for her. She'd be better off quitting for her own sake.

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,041 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    I wonder is it policy by social media.

    Was someone sitting in an office watching her be ridiculed and tried to save the day by sending her in.



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