Green Bay Packers Thread

Blut2 · 16-10-2022 9:15pm

Grim stuff. Cobb will probably be out injured for a while now too, just to add to the lack of WRs problem.

cosatron · 16-10-2022 9:23pm

It will interesting to see how lefluer handles this crisis. Cause right now we are a poor team.

theoneeyedman · 16-10-2022 9:46pm

Pi55 poor... Made the Jets look like contenders.

Brendan Bendar · 17-10-2022 9:15am

aah yes… not unexpected I have to say.

This is a disjointed sluggish team with little spirit.

The clues are on the sideline.

You had the Jets players and coaches pumped up, high fiving themselves, encouraging players and animated.

You had the Packers players ambling around, no fire, no interaction, the coaches and QB looking like their dog had died.

We will get all the usual bull after the game, but the short answer is the Packers were out coached and outplayed.

Forget about this ground game, we are getting very little from it, certainly not the mesiahs some think we have.

We are not getting enough return from either ground or air to sustain games….the scoring record shows that.

Defense poor, Offence worse…….. coming near the time where harsh words and tough actions need to be taken.

I shudder to think what our run after the Washington game will bring.

Not a good outlook when basically ‘no name’ QBs can have career games against GB.

boccers · 17-10-2022 9:19am

Seems as though I spoke too soon on special teams as well.

Blut2 · 17-10-2022 12:54pm

I don't know if I'd call the defense poor, more-so just solidly average. Which isn't unusual for them. But the problem is in previous years the offense was good enough to bail them out regularly so they play didn't cause losses as frequently. This year the offense itself is below average - 10pts last night, 7 against the Vikings, 14 against the Bucs..

The very obvious problems are that Rodgers is older and less capable and there are essentially no WRs on top of that. On any of the top teams realistically aiming for a Superbowl Lazard would be a WR3 and the rookies would only gradually getting broken in, not being relied on.

Brendan Bendar · 17-10-2022 1:15pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119755708#Comment_119755708

whatever about the first half the D was poor in the second……possibly tiredness but probably a realisation the Offence had no idea how to keep them off the field.

whiffs on ‘tackles ‘ late in the game and on one occasion saw at least five Packer defenders chasing after the Jets ball carrier with no hope of stopping him.

There is no point in “sticking with the run” if there are no blockers.

No RB can consistently get through a wall of DLs 300 pounders without blockers, and there’s where a lot of the problems arise.

Head coach is skating on thin ice now as the team is just not motivated in any facets of the game.

Turnaround urgently needed……….I’m not optimistic.

17-10-2022 3:46pm

Is it a case of chickens coming home to roost on the whole Rodgers mess over the last 2 seasons, the row with the front office, the stand off, the huge contract. I mean, obviously his arm has been good enough for MVP...but I do wonder about his attitude...

theoneeyedman · 17-10-2022 8:38pm

Whatever about his arm or his talent, his attitude and body language has been shocking. LaFluer and his team aren't faultless, but AR12 has been pants in a while, and this season he's not performed, and just wandered about with a face like a slapped ar5e.

Blut2 · 17-10-2022 9:05pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119755805#Comment_119755805

Yeah to be fair I'm not saying the defense were good by any stretch. But they're ranked #16th for defenses across the league so far this season which is about right - completely middle of the road.

The offense's regression is the bigger problem. Its due to a combination of bad luck with Bakhtiari's injury problems (hes a huge difference maker, and a huge % of capspace), letting Davante leave, and Rodger's aging / his dramatics / obvious unhappiness / his demanding a monster contract at his age. Its just not a winning combination.

Rodgers' contract is structured so that hes 100% definitely going to be playing in the 2023 season, and likely the 2024 and 2025 seasons as well. Which at this stage has got to be a huge worry for everyone involved...

boccers · 21-10-2022 11:20am

The main things on offence as far as I can see is the O line has been particularly poor compared to previous years as well as Rodgers drop in form. Bakhtiari has actually been very good especially considering how long he was out but Jenkins has not been good and they have to bench Newman. So much pressure is coming from that right side. 2014 Aaron Rodgers wouldn't do much with the blocking he is getting never mind 38 year old Rodgers. That also obviously has an effect on the run game and then not having a sure thing like Davante compounds things.

I am a bit more optimistic than most here in that I think if they get the O line sorted it will go a long way to helping the offences problems. There was a very good clip of Dan Orlovsky this week showing how these little errors are having huge impacts on the offence.

I do think they see the WR deficiencies and are going to go in hard for trade before the deadline but Green Bay's version of going in hard often leads to prime suspects signing elsewhere so we will see.

Brendan Bendar · 21-10-2022 12:19pm

Yes, the O line is the cause of a lot of the problems.

Especially the right side.Right tackle and right guard seems to be where i

the issue is most acute.

We might see Zac Tom in a bigger role there with Jenkins in at RG.

Maybe Don Barclay and Marshall Newhouse weren’t as bad as we thought they were back in the day.!!

cosatron · 21-10-2022 3:29pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119774507#Comment_119774507

don barclay played well at center for a period of time. I would love to Nyman as right tackle, i think he has earned that chance with the way he played at left tackle.

Brendan Bendar · 21-10-2022 7:18pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119775599#Comment_119775599

Hmm..dude on a podcast wasn’t too enthusiastic reckons we could come up with

Bakhtiari Runyan Myers Jenkins Tom.. from the left.

I like Yosh myself but he doesn’t seem to have performed well at RT.

Taylor Heinike is extremely mobile…..can’t let that guy gash us.

Brendan Bendar · 23-10-2022 12:50pm

Ok….. my take on the the game today.

Pack will win if….

They keep Rogers clean

Contain Heinike

Keep the penalties down

The Special teams don’t fuhherke up.

The Pack will lose if

The let Heinike run riot

They concede a lot of third downs

They give away routine penalties

They play like they did in the last two games.

Expect two turnovers from the Pack

expect a 24-17 win

👋

Brendan Bendar · 23-10-2022 2:59pm

Hmmm… #69 now questionable…knee.

Not good news.

Maybe

Yosh Runyan Myers Jenkins Toms

Jeez……

Brendan Bendar · 23-10-2022 4:38pm

#69:inactive

Yosh to LT probably…..

Fionn1952 · 23-10-2022 6:31pm

.....oh special Teams. Rodgers making a balls of it

Brendan Bendar · 23-10-2022 7:58pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119782645#Comment_119782645

Jeebus every tiny bit of good luck gone to the Commanders

Packers getting penalised big time.

Negated one fumble RTN for 6

Not converting 3rd downs.

Defense keeping them ahead…….should be (as usual) out of sight.

Ohmeha · 23-10-2022 9:43pm

Aaron Rodgers Tuesday should be interesting

theoneeyedman · 23-10-2022 10:25pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119784133#Comment_119784133

Is it luck when it happens week on week? Seems like groundhog day this season, poor sides carving them open and offence not delivering, with AR looking like he wants to be anywhere else but on the field.

Brendan Bendar · 24-10-2022 8:54am

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Yeah…. Fair point, but Jeez the punt where the Commander tickled the ball with his little finger after the guy who downed it ran out of bounds after a punt.

Fumbled balls hopping straight to a Washington player…….anyway….

Beaten by a better team, conceded five straight third downs in a row, allowing Washington to dominate the clock which ultimately beat them

Fantastic throw by Heinicke to McLauren for a touchdown , you could t see a Packer completing that.

Next week………..eek!

eagle eye · 24-10-2022 10:14am

Your OL doesn't look great but that never really bothered AR because he is so fast releasing the ball. The big problem is the quality of receivers you have. When a 32 year olde Randall Cobb, whose topped 500 yards once in his last five seasons and Sammy Watkins whose beaten 600 once over the same span, while playing with Mahomes, are important components in your offense then you are in big trouble. They should be a fourth and fifth options at best. Lazard is not a no.1 wideout, Doubs looks promising but he has a lot to learn. It appears Watson will never be fit.

I can't help but go back to that draft in 2020 when they drafted Love with Tee Higgins and Michael Pittman on the board and expected to go in the 25-35 range. The whole world said Green Bay needed to take a receiver there.

I think you gotta get OBJ no matter what it takes if you want to have any chance this year. He's about two to three weeks from being fully fit, he's been cleared for full contact already.

You need somebody for the slot position as well I think, at least to share the work.

boccers · 24-10-2022 11:15am

That was absolutely terrible. The illegal contact call on Stokes cancelling out the fumble return for a touchdown was a big moment but you just wouldn't be in any way optimistic about the Packers overturning a deficit to anyone at this stage. The last two years they would have won this game and you would have been confident enough of them doing it going into the 4th quarter even if they were losing.

I saw somewhere yesterday that their two biggest plays of the game were on the last drive with 30 seconds left including the one at the end with all the laterals. That is embarrassing. Rodgers is not playing well but the lack of receiver talent is really evident no matter what they might say. Aaron Jones is their best receiver and hes not even a receiver.

Hopefully Bakhtiari missing out was only a precaution but either way things are not looking good. Maybe they will get themselves up for the Bills but these are the games you have to be winning. The only saving grace is how bad the NFC is at the moment that they are still only a game outside the playoff spots.

Blut2 · 24-10-2022 2:34pm

The bookies have the Packers as only a 40% chance to reach the playoffs now, an expected 8 win season. Looks like its going to be a rough couple of years.

Jofspring · 29-10-2022 9:48am

This Sunday almost has a feeling of take our hiding and then re-set for the rest of the games and see what happens.

Blut2 · 29-10-2022 1:26pm

The Bills are 11 point favourites with the bookies. If I was betting I think I'd actually bet on them to win by more than that, Rodgers has struggled against far worse defenses this year and Josh Allen and the Bills offense are flying. I'd say 27-10 Bills.

If theres a loss tomorrow theres not much left of the season to reset for after this unfortunately. The Packers will be sitting at 3-5, with the Vikings likely at 6-1. And theres a pretty tough schedule ahead with games against the Cowboys, Eagles, Titans and Vikings which are all very iffy.

Brendan Bendar · 30-10-2022 11:57am

As long as Rogers maintains his sour lack of interest (seemingly) and the general lack of team spirit amongst the other players, with a few notable exceptions, this team is going nowhere.

Tonight’s game will tell a lot …..have we the mebbs to take on Buffalo or do we just go through the motions with the usual predictable results.

The attitude of the team tonight will tell a lot, for me, that is the most important parameter to be decided tonight.

The actual result is not really of major consequence.

Performance is the most important criterium to be decided tonight.

Lets hope it’s positive.

Brendan Bendar · 31-10-2022 6:52am

I think we can say a good performance spirit wise.

Penalties at vital times made things difficult, we have to reduce those big time.

injuries also reduced out effectiveness.

However on the plus side, two picks, some good drives, good catches by the young receivers give me hope

we can actually win a few games in the remaining season.

cosatron · 02-11-2022 4:27pm

so to no one surprise we didn't trade for anyone. We looked better against the bills in the second half, its hard to figure out this team this year, it feels like its a phasing in of rookies year as all rookies have shown glimpse of great potential.

Brendan Bendar · 02-11-2022 6:26pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119824714#Comment_119824714

Lack of leadership I would suggest is at the root of the problem.

And it’s from the very top down. There seems to be an “I’ll look after my patch and I don’t care what happens elsewhere kind of attitude”

There seems to be no plan to fix it that I’ve heard other than the usual platitudes.

The management need to get out there and take control before social media goes a bit wild.

Blut2 · 02-11-2022 6:42pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119824714#Comment_119824714

Since 2020 the team has been in a weird hybrid all-in but also building for the future mode. Drafting Jordan Love in a first round full of good to go WRs, and then rookie WRs that will need time to develop in subsequent years would suggest a rebuild. But then paying Rodgers and a few other big stars enough that the cap will be trashed for years going forward suggests the opposite.

A slightly more all-in approach to get an extra WR in free agency last year or the year before, along with drafting a WR instead of Love, may have been enough to make a Superbowl while Rodgers was MVP level. Or else trading away Rodgers (and possibly one or two other big earners) at the same time as Davante this summer would have resulted in a rake load of draft picks for a rebuild.

Its like they can't make their minds up so instead the team is just awkwardly stuck in the middle in whats likely to be a few years of 6-7 wins a season mediocrity.

boccers · 03-11-2022 10:42am

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Very good post. I saw someone say this week that the Packers have been excellent at being very good but terrible at being great which pretty much sums it up. The blame for everything is obviously spread around but the main culprit has to be Gutekunst and if/when Rodgers retires and the Packers are left hamstrung into paying tens of millions in dead cap he should be the one taking the blame.

Brendan Bendar · 03-11-2022 3:24pm

Replacing an ageing QB seems to be one of the most difficult tasks in the NFL.

I can only think of two combos that followed one straight after the other, and stayed at the top.

SFO with Montana and Young

GB with Favre and Rogers

Think of Denver/Elway..Colts/Manning…Steelers/Big Ben.. Patriots/Brady…Dallas/Romo..Miami/ Marino

Never really regained their prev exalted positions after a HOF QB left.

So it’s difficult is the point I’m trying to make given the setup of the NFL.

Most if not all teams have a transition problem in this situation..Some get lucky, but very few .

Something to think about ….

Brendan Bendar · 06-11-2022 5:38pm

All the ‘questionables’ available for selection.

Bak, Jenkins, Lazard, Watson…hmmm

cosatron · 06-11-2022 10:12pm

Wow. I think we have hit rock bottom. Time to play love and see what we got.

theoneeyedman · 06-11-2022 10:35pm

Rock bottom.... I wouldn't bet on that!

Last 3 years wasted, big questions from the top down really. Might be a few lean years ahead.

boccers · 07-11-2022 11:10am

Dunno if this is rock bottom but losing to the 32nd ranked passing offence after they dared/allowed a team with a HOF QB to throw the ball all game is pretty bad. The injury list from just yesterday is unbelievable but having said that there does seem to be something major wrong all season so injuries alone can't be blamed. Its hard to know where the blame lies. Overall I would put the most blame on the front office more so for the last 3/4 years than this year alone. There was definitely a superbowl in that team and maybe if Bahktiari doesn't get hurt they win one without any extra help but it always looked like the other teams were doing more to get themselves over the line and we were always left with the typical "Green Bay were calling about x player" or "Green Bay were turned down in favour of team X".

Its hard to know where they go from here. They can't really cut Rodgers, nobody will trade for him on this form and you can't really bench someone on his salary but they also can't really exercise Love's 5th year option at the end of next season without really having a proper look at him over at least a season. They have created this mess so I hope there is a way out but as others have said it looks like there are lean years coming.

My comment weeks ago about the O Line being the main problem has turned out to be wrong as they were pretty good yesterday from a protection point anyway.

Blut2 · 07-11-2022 3:02pm

Not just losing, only scoring 9pts on the literal worst defense in the NFL, that had given up an average of 32points per game before this...

Its time to just put Love in for the rest of the season. Give him a good run of games - if he shows signs of quality happy days, if he doesn't and they lose them all the team will at least then be in a good position to draft a top QB.

Theres nothing to be gained from leaving Rodgers in there now and scraping out 2-3 wins more than Love would get, just to end up with a worse draft position.

boccers · 07-11-2022 3:35pm

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In theory that sounds like the right way to go but have the Packers ever given up on a season/tanked for better draft position? I don't think in recent memory they have anyway. Also can you pay someone €50m to sit on the bench? Can't see that going down well. They have kind of made their bed now. Maybe a temporary solution is putting Rodgers on IR for 4 games with his thumb but would he go for that either? Probably not.

Also even if they did get a high draft position would we trust them to use it wisely given the previous 4 drafts under Gutekunst? I heard them list out the draft picks on the Athletic podcast earlier and it didn't read very well. Alexander, Jenkins and Gary have been successes but after that who could you say is currently adding great value to the team? Runyan and Myers are good but after that...

cosatron · 07-11-2022 4:23pm

i think rodgers will play until its mathematical impossible to make the playoffs. Some of the throws he missed today were the worst of his career and the play calling on the last four downs were god awful. they had time to nip away at the yardage but threw it badly into the endzone 4 times. Twitter is having a field day with this and to compound it Gary has done his acl and is out for the season.

Blut2 · 07-11-2022 7:08pm

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True, they haven't had to tank a season in modern history because they've had two long lasting HOF QBs in a row. But theres always time to start...

It'll definitely be difficult to justify paying Rodgers to sit on the bench (and he'll probably throw a strop) but is there really any alternative? The Packers are currently sitting at #9 in the draft to come, with one of the tougher schedules to come. So theres every chance they could end up with a top 5 pick if the rest of the season tanks due to giving Love a chance. If Rodgers keeps playing and ekes out a few wins it'll just be another middling 15ish draft pick where all the top QBs will be gone.

And theres always a chance that the management team gets vindicated and Love actually develops into a decent QB when finally given a run of 5+ games to make the position his. Slim chance mind you, but still its almost certainly worth more to the team to try that than have Rodgers play the remaining games.

Brendan Bendar · 14-11-2022 8:38am

Well at last a win……not expected by me anyway.

Hopefully Will instil some confidence in the team especially Watson.

Tough team incoming Thur. Titans test us to the limit.

Nice to get the W…..at last

boccers · 14-11-2022 11:35am

Having that field stretcher in Watson is massive for this team. He really needs to stay healthy. It just changes they way the other team have to defend and leaves gaps for Dillon and moreso Jones to run through. Staying with the run the whole way through paid dividends too. The Cowboys didn't help themselves especially at the end with penalties and questionable play calls but you couldn't say the Packers didn't deserve to win.

Saw a stat that Amari Rodgers has 8 career catches and 7 fumbles. He does ok on offence but he can't be returning punts or kickoffs ever again. Those fumbles are 100% on the coaches persisting with him. Its not like he is explosive when he doesn't drop it so how he is still on returns is beyond me.

cosatron · 14-11-2022 1:09pm

well that was awesome. First time all year we played 4 quarters and run first offence. Delighted for Watson, looks a serious talent. Onwards and upwards.

Blut2 · 14-11-2022 6:13pm

Great to see a connection between Watson and Rodgers but thats a bad result for the team long term. It'll inspire unjustified confidence they can run the table and make the playoffs so they'll chase wins, and keep Love on the bench. It'll end up with a 7-10 season, missing the playoffs, still no idea if Love can play or not, and a draft pick well down the table.

Would have been much better to lose it, write off the season, put Love in for a few games to see what hes made of, and get a high draft pick to potentially draft a top rated QB if needed.

theoneeyedman · 14-11-2022 10:11pm

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Play him to Fvck anyway I'd say. Of he sinks, then do as you say. If he burns it up, then great, build a team around him.

No point drafting another top QB without trying this one out - are they gonna use them for spare parts 🙄😁.

Body language again between AR and LeFluer suggest this relationship is done.

Brendan Bendar · 15-11-2022 4:58pm

Bit early to start tanking,man,still in the hunt.

Lets see what we have in this team before sinking the season.

Thursday night will answer a lot of questions.

15-11-2022 5:25pm

I really hate the the whole idea of not doing everything you can to win, and all that "Suck for Luck" stuff. I appreciate that there is something to giving a new QB playing time, and I'm tired of Rodgers and all his antics and petulance. But I think he gives them the best chance of staying in the hunt.

theoneeyedman · 15-11-2022 10:31pm

In my opinion, this team as it is is going nowhere. They might scrape into the playoffs from here, but the first good team they play will knock them out. Then what....?

Don't change anything, expect a different result, insanity and all that. Change it up,this is going nowhere.

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