BoJo banished - Liz Truss down. Is Rishi next for the toaster? threadbans in OP

Strazdas · 17-10-2022 11:59AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119755626#Comment_119755626

Someone in the Guardian likened this whole affair to the Suez Crisis and they're spot on. Imagine introducing a radical and revolutionary budget and then having to scrap virtually the entire thing a couple of weeks later and admit it had been a disastrous, ill thought out, mistake. This is the type of event you see once every 50 or 60 years in politics.

tinytobe · 17-10-2022 12:06PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119755649#Comment_119755649

4 different people responsible for finance, and that within 4 months. Not exactly a good track record.

Picture a company having 4 different COOs in 4 months. This doesn't look good.

Strazdas · 17-10-2022 12:14PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119755757#Comment_119755757

If it it was a company, it's one you would expect to go out of business in the next few weeks.

amacca · 17-10-2022 12:30PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119755649#Comment_119755649

Oh listen, I clearly agree. Perhaps leader was the wrong word, If he was my commanding officer Id be planning to find a way to deliver a bullet to the back before we went into battle, I suspect with Liz I probably wouldn't have to make any plans someone else would have gotten there long before me.......survivor while doing SFA/better at not shooting himself in the foot immediately/clever at being self serving to some degree......I'm struggling to come up with a concise definition......Johnson at least wouldn't announce at the first opportunity the very thing that would spook international markets and make his position all but untenable........

just to be clear, I'm not singing his praises as a leader or at least that wasn't what I intended to be the key takeaway 😂

Rawr · 17-10-2022 12:31PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119755479#Comment_119755479

Indeed. Perhaps it's time for a suddenly unplanned trip to Kyiv. 'Round about Wednesday....

Truss: Me? Skipping PMQs? No...noooo. Just got to "show support" and get photo-ops with a world leader people actually like. Not trying...to avoid doing my actual job or anything...

Floppybits · 17-10-2022 12:47PM

Will Truss see out the week?

Shelga · 17-10-2022 12:51PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119755942#Comment_119755942

Doubt it. Will she even see out the day? She’s not even taking the question from Labour at 3:30pm in the commons- Penny Mordaunt is. She’s a joke and a coward.

17-10-2022 12:53PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119755942#Comment_119755942

I believe so. And longer. I think that they’ll probably muddle through now (assuming that the fiscal statement goes okay) to an election, whether or not that is triggered sooner that we might expect, in the hope that things just stabilise. I just don’t see any other way. I find it hard to believe, despite all the chatter, that they’ll just change PM.

Rawr · 17-10-2022 01:04PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119755994#Comment_119755994

I'm of the same mind. Really, she should probably be gone already. But I suspect that she'll linger for a while due to various delaying tactics and measures. Hunt coming in was probably part of that. Delaying the inevitable need to replace her as long as they can. Could be weeks, could be even months..or longer.

Although maybe they'll surprise us and actually pull the plug now?

ancapailldorcha · 17-10-2022 01:12PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119755942#Comment_119755942

She'll probably see out the year. Why on earth would anyone want to lead the party now with what's coming?

Let's look at a hypothetical best case scenario. Winter comes and the party borrows big to save people from fiscal ruination. Fine. Winter is now done. What next? At some point soon, there will be an election. Do you call it now hoping that Labour will be on the back foot? No because Starmer is already prepped for an election so you wait until the pressure becomes too much at which point you've lost what's left of the initiative.

But of course, this won't happen. Truss has already destroyed her own premiership with her absurd fiscal policy and subsequent u-turn. What she's done is to destroy any market confidence in herself, her government and her party. Such confidence takes time to build up. People and markets know that any government that u-turns this much is literally revolving at this point and therefore static.

She's destroyed this iteration of the Tory party, that's for sure. They need a spell in the wilderness so they can excise the morons, fruitcakes and loonies like Rees-Mogg & Coffey.

Strazdas · 17-10-2022 01:18PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119756078#Comment_119756078

The problem for them is that every option is a terrible one : whether they kick her out after a few short weeks for total incompetence (the optics are horrendous) or decide to hold on to her (equally horrendous).

Quin_Dub · 17-10-2022 01:27PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119756149#Comment_119756149

She will survive at least until after Hunt delivers his updated Budget at the end of the month.

If that is seen to calm things down a bit then she'll get to limp on towards a GE in ~18 months time.

Her survival has nothing whatsoever to do with "what's good for the country" it's all down to the calculations of the Parliamentary party.

If they think that their jobs are completely lost no matter what then they may pull the plug sooner rather than later.

But if enough of them think they might be able to survive the cull that is absolutely coming at the next GE then they'll leave her there until the last possible moment.

The intangible here is Truss herself - Will she accept being a patsy for the Party and agree to stay in place for the foreseeable or will she pull the plug and try to claim some notional right-wing high ground (the sunny uplands if you will) and try to position herself for longer term leadership in opposition?

I don't think it would work as she has no policy or political foundation to fall back on , but that doesn't mean she might not try it.

17-10-2022 01:33PM

Truss is a gift to Starmer who could not have gotten to his current polling without her

He is still a wooden duplicitous stooge for new labour and given better times would remain hard for the British public to stomach.

Akrasia · 17-10-2022 02:01PM

I think we'll know by 4pm what the plans are

Hunt and Mordent making statements while Truss is very conspicuously absent.

Are they going to try and 'Weekend at Bernies' her until after christmas or have they something else in mind

Danzy · 17-10-2022 02:05PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119756222#Comment_119756222

Starmer has cast a lot of the lunatic bad eggs like Corbyn and co. out of the party, making Labour a credible option in many communities, especially working class ones.

The Tories will need to do that with their Corbynite style wing of fruit cake libertarians .

Danzy · 17-10-2022 02:06PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119756380#Comment_119756380

She may well be gone by this evening.

Even if they would prefer to leave it till after Christmas.

I think she is skipping leaders questions because she is calling it a day. Why flood YouTube with clips of you being humiliated on the last day.

She has no authority left. A day must be like a month for her now.

17-10-2022 02:22PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119756400#Comment_119756400

Before all this labour were barely touching the Tories under his stewardship. That's quite impressively bad considering how badly the Tories were already doing.

Danzy · 17-10-2022 02:24PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119756481#Comment_119756481

That's because he is a wooden mannequin.

Leroy42 · 17-10-2022 02:29PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119756481#Comment_119756481

rubbish. Johnson was tanking in the polls, hence why the Tories removed him. Starmer was coming from miles away, he had a lot of work simply to get Labour treated seriously in many peoples eyes.

And timing is everything. Blair did so well, partly of course because of who he was, but in large part because of how inept the Tories were. Johnson only got to be PM because of how inept TM was.

While no body could have predicted how quickly or completely, the wheels would fall off the Tories, Starmer was playing the longer game. No need to get too excited when the seats in the HoC meant an election was likely 5 years away.

Yurt2 · 17-10-2022 02:32PM

Eye opening factoid from a contributor on Claire Byrne this morning:

Just before Brexit, the UK economy was 90% the size of the German economy - now it's less than 70% the size of Germany. And the Germans haven't exactly been enjoying world-beating growth themselves.

Brexit innit.

Timberrrrrrrr · 17-10-2022 02:35PM

Kier Starmer

"The ladies not for turning.......up!"

Brilliant 🤣

Headshot · 17-10-2022 02:36PM

How gutless is Truss she wouldnt even turn up for Urgent Question

VinLieger · 17-10-2022 02:37PM

Urgent business ....... cant wait to see the daily diaries showing fvck all was happening

17-10-2022 02:39PM

God it is infuriating watching the British parliament, with the noise and shouting.

Danzy · 17-10-2022 02:39PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119756523#Comment_119756523

If you look at the growth Britain dropped massively during lock down, up to 2020 it was outperforming Germany, its growing now faster than Germany, that's not much of a consolation given how screwed Germany is.

Both sick men of Europe.

Strazdas · 17-10-2022 02:44PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119756523#Comment_119756523

For the first time ever, we're seeing many admissions that Brexit is a disastrous failure. It's virtually impossible to decouple it from the current financial / economic crisis hitting the UK or to claim that it is not a significant factor.

PropJoe10 · 17-10-2022 02:45PM

Truss hiding somewhere while Penny Mordaunt deals with questions that she should be dealing with. Shameful really.

ancapailldorcha · 17-10-2022 02:46PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119756557#Comment_119756557

Both sides.

The British ruthlessly crippled their government pre-covid with austerity. Then they dropped the calamity of Brexit on it. When covid finally arrived, they dithered and prevaricated before eventually locking down at much greater cost than would have been observed by following the science.

Germany isn't screwed. It's still in the EU and is Europe's wealthiest country. The UK is still barely growing and that doesn't even matter with Truss trying to make roubles out of pounds.

VinLieger · 17-10-2022 02:47PM

Truss will be regretting this as Mordaunt looks and sounds far more like a prime minister and a leader at the box than truss ever has.

breezy1985 · 17-10-2022 02:52PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119756585#Comment_119756585

"Waddabout Germany" is clearly the narrative being ordered for roll out by all Tories on forums and social media.

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BoJo banished - Liz Truss down. Is Rishi next for the toaster? threadbans in OP