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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    I've been 3 times, mainly to the perimeter roads, nowhere near as good as your experiences ,I'd love a proper tour of the the place when there's something interesting flying in



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,886 ✭✭✭threeball


    This is going so appalling badly for the little príck that its growing quite likely that all they'll have left to defend Russia itself is the threat of a nuke. They won't have any long range missiles and very little artillery left. And even if they do they won't have an army to operate it. The americans must be laughing up their sleeve. So far they've spent a pittance sending equipment they were trying to retire anyway bar maybe the himars and have seen the imminent collapse of their long time foe as a threat on the world stage. Apart from some online trolling, Russia won't be able to project power anywhere in the world for the next 20yrs. Old Vlad the great turns out to be Vlad the plike.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,045 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Properly managed, Russia is a very wealthy Country, I'm sure it can afford the reparations. A few hundred billion (or even a round trillion) will cover the cost nicely. But if it takes more, then it takes more. Russia is liable for every cent of repairing the destruction they have caused, and that will include medical issues looking ahead.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,045 ✭✭✭jmreire


    One of the primary requirements for being a good liar, is an impeccable memory.......obviously not a very common trait in Putin's Russia.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,798 ✭✭✭✭DrumSteve


    You don't need a good memory if there is no such thing as truth



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 378 ✭✭Slava_Ukraine


     Apart from some online trolling


    And they are appalling at it - head over to P.IE to see, though, it has calmed down in recent days



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,045 ✭✭✭jmreire


    These OAPs should not get too cocky. In Syria, I saw plenty of OAP's on duty at checkpoints, mostly in "quiet" places, but still they carried AK47's to defend themselves in case their checkpoint was hit.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,747 ✭✭✭firemansam4


    Elon is acting the pr**ck and starting to go on like a petulant child now.

    But I wouldn't equate spaceX to Elons twitter rants. What they have done for the US space industry has been revolutionary, without spaceX the US would still be relying on Russia to get astronauts to the ISS.

    Hopefully this starlink issue well be resolved pretty soon. On the face of it I don't think the request for payment is unreasonable, but when you take it along with all the ramblings Musk has made on Twitter recently it makes it look like he is just throwing his toys out of the pram.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,045 ✭✭✭jmreire


    That works fine in a Country like Russia, a system based on lies, but that won't cut the mustard when dealing with Country's who have standards where the truth is concerned.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    @firemansam4 Hopefully this starlink issue well be resolved pretty soon. On the face of it I don't think the request for payment is unreasonable, ...

    They are being paid by the people who buy the units and pay the subscription services fees,

    He's making out like he's given all those units which I believe is around 7000 altogether and giving the subscriptions free when he's not

    Post edited by Gatling on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,747 ✭✭✭firemansam4


    Yea I see quite a few conflicting positions on this, I did see that many in Ukraine are buying and funding these themselves.

    Elon is claiming this is actually costing SpaceX 20 million a month to fund, but then thats what Elon is claiming, so pinch of salt needed their.

    If it is costing spaceX several million a month then I think its reasonable that they shouldn't have to pick up the tab on this.

    However the timing along with Elons twitter rants, and pro-russian diplomacy ideas, is very suspicious.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,162 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Are SpaceX's margins that tight that they're worried about a few million a month? You couldn't get much better PR in the West than being the company to provide vital technologies to a friendly state in their bid to defend their land.

    If SpaceX genuinely cannot continue to provide it for free, I'm sure the US government can easily foot the bill, considering everything else that is being provided to Ukraine right now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    For me it's how this situation is being handled essentially on twitter,and very much publicly,and after the sudden geofencing of the starlinks in Ukraine,

    Billions have been spent on ukraine but he waits till after he's a chat with putin and promoting Putins plan ,

    Suddenly geofencing and demanding payment from the US ,it's very suspicious.

    Surly if he needed paying he could have easily gone to the US government directly and talked , rather than throwing his toys out of the pram on twitter



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,886 ✭✭✭threeball


    The US are already footing the bill, along with the UK and Poland. Just like all of Musks businesses it needs to be heavily subsidised to survive. Space X losing money, Tesla billions in debt despite massive government supports and stock which is hugely over valued. The boring company is surviving off people pumping money into it in the hope that Musk has another hit on his hands. None of his current businesses are making profits on the scale required to justify the investment they received.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,747 ✭✭✭firemansam4


    He claims starlink is loosing money...

    He also thinks that the pentagon should pick up the tab for the costs.

    But I would agree with Gatling about this all being suspicious with the timing. And he just doesn't seem to be able to stop with all the twitter stuff.

    He claims that he is still on the side of Ukraine, which if true he should stick to what he knows, and stop trying to think he is some kind of diplomat, and playing politics about something he seems to know little about.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 128 ✭✭blarney_boy


    Is this the Russia invasion of Ukraine or the bash Elon Musk thread . . .

    Facts in no order of importance

    Tesla is cash positive which means it's earning more morning for car sales than it spent in salaries / capital deprecation but instead of paying a dividend Elon 'Edge Lord' Musk (with the agreement of the Tesla board) is re-investing this money back into research for Machine Learning / FSD / Tesla Bot

    SpaceX is also earning income as it has consistently under promised and over delivered on various NASA / US Defense contracts for ISS re-supply / Spy satellite launches, again like Tesla all this revenue is re-invested back into the Spaceship / Starfactory and the 'Mission to Mars'

    If you want to know what true rent-seeking looks like, checkout Boeing and their Starliner program or ULA and their SLS program both are competitors to SpaceX and are continuously sucking on the US tax payer teat despite failing to deliver any successful launches years (decades / millennia) after the agreed contract launch date

    TLDR: check out the internet, it's a wonderful resource for learning about space exploration - GIYF



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 128 ✭✭blarney_boy


    p.s this guys analysis is also pretty good, was wondering why the attack from the western side of Kherson was 'stalled' these past couple of weeks, but a pretty good explanation of the Ukrainian Army waiting for their chess pieces on the board to line up before announcing 'Check Mate'





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,865 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    Surely a deal has to be done at some point. If the far east regions of Ukraine were fighting to be part of Russia before the war started, then maybe it's time to let it go, but to draw new borders, not for Russia to take whole regions, but any deal must come with Ukraine getting a fast track to Nato and EU membership.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    Wounder if she is going to like the knock off Chinese tat Ifone and all that.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,623 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    No deals.

    Russia are floundering. Running out of weaponry and men alike. They must be driven back to the 2013 borders, the ones internationally recognised and accepted. They must be humiliated in a way that dissuades, for the next hundred years, any would-be autocratic aggressor from attacking a neighbour in this fashion.

    No succour for international terrorism, no rewards for fascism, no appeasement of autocrats.

    Humiliation, isolation, ruination. Lets see what ordinary Russians make of their masters then.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,865 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    Interesting one Was the British Empire or the UK mentioned in their case ? Would be interesting to see the Russians claim their still the USSR.



  • Posts: 2,015 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Russian army basic infantry training




  • Posts: 9,117 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    BBC morning news report just now- interesting analysis - whilst Russia is only making small gains, they’re still making these incremental gains and of course many more troops are on the way- things are very much hanging in the balance for both sides.

    Ukraine really needs quality and quantity of weapons of all kinds to keep up with Putins approach of continuous bombardment and sacrificing 1000s of il-equipped soldiers to make these small gains - I think we can expect an increased level of positive propaganda spin from Ukraine in terms of how well they are doing and putting its best side out in the coming weeks as pressure mounts on them - hopefully these stories can be backed up with solid western support soon - it’s very apparent at this stage that this is Europes war to win or lose.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,790 ✭✭✭greenpilot


    Ah, fantastic. You must come on one of our trips to various airshows and airports next year. I'm looking at going to Duxford in February. Its the best time to go, as they are still maintaining the aircraft in the hangers.

    My brother lives next door to RAF Fairford apparently the place is hopping at the moment.

    There are major nuclear exercises being conducted out if there next week. I'd give my left arm to be camped out at the embankment ( you know the spot) next week. Its going to be seriously busy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,790 ✭✭✭greenpilot


    A take on Belarus joining the party.

    'shenko is absolutely delusional..


    https://youtu.be/YUjoB86GplE



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 478 ✭✭Run Forest Run


    Not just Europe's war, but possibly NATO's too if you listen to the words coming out of the mouth of people like Jens Stoltenberg etc.

    Here are some very interesting interviews with Scott Ritter, and his take on the state of play currently. For anyone who isn't familiar with the name, Ritter is a former US marine corps intelligence officer and UN weapons inspector who helped to expose the lies about WMD's in Iraq. So, I'll let people decide for themselves if they think he might be a voice worth listening to on this conflict.

    Interestingly, at that time, a certain US senator by the name of Joseph Biden, actually attempted to mock Ritter for the vital information he was providing. In fact, Biden even wanted to have those senate hearings cancelled. But thankfully, the world got to hear his voice. It was around that time, that terms such as "manufacturing consent" came more into the public consciousness. Ritter knows a lot about the big politics around these issues and much of the inner machinations of the military industrial complex.

    Here's a slightly older one, but goes into more depth around some of these issues. Really fascinating guy to listen to, considering his experience and knowledge on the subject matter.




  • Posts: 7,946 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    ^^^ was going to give the above videos a try until I saw that Scottish idiot. Better things to be doing…



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