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"Green" policies are destroying this country

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 596 ✭✭✭deholleboom


    Greta Thunberg prefers nuclear over coal now. Let's see how this flies.

    Via the RTE website linked to a french newspaper..

    https://www.rte.ie/news/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,920 ✭✭✭micar


    The issue is now increasing cost, shortage of materials and shortage of labour.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    would have noting to do with local authorities banging them up on social housing that skews the numbers massively.



  • Posts: 15,362 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Yeah, the demand has grown rapidly, likely driven by the grants and the massive increase in the costs of fossil fuels driving energy price rises

    I agree, the rollout of the retrofitting by local authorities has been great for the poorer families living in those homes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    So thus artificially inflating the figures of actual people fitting them. As there are only a few one stop shops.



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  • Posts: 15,362 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    For further evidence of supply and demand take a look at the trajectory of diesel prices.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    no diesel price is always high due to the split of it vs petrol you get per barrel. Think this has been explained before ? Petrol taxed higher also.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,660 ✭✭✭ps200306


    It costs a couple of million per annum to keep the lights on at Providence. Ironically (and outrageously) a chunk of that is annual payments for the exploration licenses that they validly hold. They have spent the past 18 months waiting for Eamon Ryan to finish scratching his gonads and make a decision on a petroleum lease, during which time he actually charges them for the pleasure. Providence have attracted two new deep-pocketed investors over the same period.

    The markets have lost confidence in Providence because they know that Ryan is a swivel-eyed green lunatic who will do everything in his power to scupper hydrocarbon production and use in Ireland. As such, Providence's predicament becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy -- they can't raise funds until the lease is granted, and Ryan is threatening not to grant the lease because they can't raise funds.

    Everyone knows the game he's playing and he is absolutely going to end up landing himself and the government in court over it. Yet another waste of taxpayer money (but he's an acknowledged expert at that). There are even rumours that the new investors might only be in it for the law suit. They don't have to make their money from hydrocarbon extraction. They can do it by extracting their pound of flesh from the government (i.e. the Irish taxpayer) thanks to Ryan's zealotry.

    Meanwhile, over on the sane part of the continent:

    I posted previously that Ireland imports gas and electricity from the UK, the UK imports electricity from France, France imports electricity from Germany. But Germany also needs gas for industry which can't be substituted with electricity, and doesn't have the LNG terminals to import it. France is sending some (admittedly limited) imported gas to Germany, in return for which Germany will export electricity to France.

    In effect, Germany is turning its lignite into gas. Never forget the iron law of climate policy -- when energy runs short people will choose reliables over renewables, and they'll use anything that will burn.

    Now, if only Eamon Ryan realised that indigenous hydrocarbon production in Ireland would actually offset the burning of lignite in Germany, not to mention having a lower carbon footprint even than foreign gas by virtue of a lower transport footprint. But no, Ryan wants to keep Ireland chaste and virginal when it comes to hydrocarbons, even though it's actually increasing GHG emissions. What more proof do we need that he is nothing more than a performative moron who can't face up to the harsh realities? The man is a thundering disgrace.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,660 ✭✭✭ps200306


    Evidence of the Iron Law of Climate Policy in today's NY Times:

    Germany turns to coal

    "Germany has pledged to wean itself off coal by 2030. But Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, and the subsequent cutoff of Russian gas supplies to Europe, has led the country to step up its use of coal. It could also mean the end for Lützerath, a German farming village that sits atop a large coal deposit the German government hopes to mine."

    "Protesters in Lützerath — environmental activists, middle-class residents from nearby towns and a religious community that recently carried a cross around the village — say they are exhausted but plan to keep fighting. Energy experts suggest that Lützerath’s coal is not necessary for the country’s energy supplies."

    "Germans have traditionally been supportive of clean energy, but there has been little public backlash to destroying the village, and many Germans seem to have accepted that coal will be an important part of their near-term energy future. Since the crisis began, coal-fueled electricity generation in Germany has risen by nearly 5 percent, accounting for almost of all (sic) electricity produced in Germany."




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,660 ✭✭✭ps200306


    Even in what's essentially a puff piece for the Irish Solar Energy Association, RTE reports that the cost of rooftop solar installations has gone up 30% in the past year, completely negating the SEAI grant.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,445 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    You're some man for the link dumping and propaganda in fairness.



  • Posts: 15,362 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Blaming ER for their predicament might make sense if it wasn't for the fact that Providence have owned Barryroe for a long, long time and never did anything with it.

    It's like how ER is being blamed for the lack of permission for Shannon LNG despite the fact that there was a decade of valid planning permission that the project owners did not make use of.

    Seems to be a case of scape goating if you ask me



  • Posts: 15,362 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Or the grant is negating the effect of inflation.

    Depends on your perspective I guess



  • Posts: 15,362 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    As opposed to the endless copy-and-paste of anti-renewable whining and pro-pollution propaganda?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,445 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    I think you'll find you are responsible for the overwhelming majority of link dumping and spamming on this thread. It's actually ridiculous the amount of link dumps you post. Calm yourself down before posting any more greenie propaganda 👍



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,445 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Well that's a stupid perspective. As always with these things the grant gets swallowed up by the installers/manufacturers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,445 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Only 5,000 roof top installations this year. Grim numbers with a housing stock of 2.4m.



  • Posts: 15,362 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I agree, we should definitely be doing a lot more, the demand is there, but it's early days yet for these new grants and increased energy costs.

    No doubt those numbers will start to grow as more and more people get sick of paying high energy bills due to the crazy fossil fuel market.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,445 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    You're so naive. The energy companies are not going to miss out. They are already starting to shift the cost burden from usage to the standing charge. As more solar etc is installed and people try to use less the energy companies will simply continue to increase the standing charges. They'll be no savings for the end user long term as the energy companies are not going to miss out on their slice of the pie.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,230 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    There are lots of opportunities for entrepreneurs to go into business installing Solar PV.

    The renewable energy sector is a big opportunity for beople beginning their careers or looking for a career break.

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,015 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    I have a solution: Mummify Eamon Ryan in cling wrap, make a small hole in the rear end, take an intestine sized flexible plunger and insert it until you can see it behind his tongue; insert his face in the oil and pull the plunger back 99%. Take ER back to the mainland and face down over a very large container, push the plunger back in.

    Film the whole thing and the thousands of repeats in time lapse and then dub a stupid tune onto it and upload it youtube as Ireland's Greens solve the energy crisis, and use the income from all the hits to buy more oil.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,015 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Yes there is, and like all such schemes, it involves fleecing the taxpayer and making a select group of scam artists entrepreneurs very rich.

    So called renewable energy needs huge subsidies to make happen, but isn't it great that money grows on trees and no one has to pay for what is touted as 'cheap' energy. You'd think that if something were dirt cheap to supply yet sold for a large price, it would be a slam-dunk commercial proposition, but no, it has to be subsidised like crazy to get anyone to invest in it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,015 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Yet you don't have a single solar panel to your name, funny how you talk the talk, but when it's your own pocket, it's nope.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,015 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Rather than put solar panels on my roof, I invested the money in BHP shares, who apart from many other things, mine coal. The ROI is better and faster than solar.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,277 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Any chance of some Green policies to sort this out? Only half of Irish rivers and lakes can sustain healthy ecosystems.

    It's hilarious that the commenters are blaming the Green party for this, in a tiny bit of power for 5 minutes and despised by the whole country, especially in rural Ireland. An Taisce and the Green party did speak out about the extension of nitrogen derogations this year but no one takes them seriously.

    Why haven't FF/FG sorted this out given they've overlooked the whole mess that has evolved over recent decades?

    How long until all fresh water in Ireland is toxic? Probably not that long the way things are going.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,458 ✭✭✭✭machiavellianme


    The Greens were in power a little over a decade ago and did nothing useful then. We spent 10 years implementing ERs previous folly of proposing wind instead of new CCGTs and here we are, about to go dark and cold. Now he wants us to remove the last few "thermal recyclers" available and live on fairy dust from the sun (which definitely won't impact on the environment in its production, transport and operation)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,277 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    should it not be up to the majority parties who have all the actual power given we've been destroying our waterways for decades now? why are the 2% Greens getting blamed for not sorting this out? ridiculous



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,873 ✭✭✭kabakuyu


    The grant was taken by the installers as a free gift for themselves from the government, it never reached the homeowner, the whole grant system is flawed,grants distort the market and only the contractors benefit, a much better system would be to abolish VAT on installation and materials.

    I say this as someone who has solar panels which were installed without grant at 60% of the cost of a grant job.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,873 ✭✭✭kabakuyu


    Its a license to print money, the price gouging is of epic proportions.The consumer is being let down badly by the Greens who are incapable of implementing an equitable and robust scheme for the installation of solar, they have failed miserably, the uptake is miniscule and people are being robbed.Time to remove the greens from office.

    I wonder how many green party members and their hangers on have become involved in the renewables business😉

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