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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,240 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    United Nations General Assembly vote on Russia’s illegal annexation. The 5 who sided with Russia were the obvious ones. But I found it hard to find a list of the 35 countries who abstained.

    The 35 who abstained were as follows-

    • Algeria
    • Armenia
    • Bolivia
    • Burundi
    • Central African Republic
    • China
    • Congo
    • Cuba
    • Eritrea
    • Eswatini
    • Ethiopia
    • Guinea
    • Honduras
    • India
    • Kazakhstan
    • Kyrgyzstan
    • Laos
    • Lesotho
    • Mali
    • Mongolia
    • Mozambique
    • Namibia
    • Pakistan
    • South Africa
    • South Sudan
    • Sri Lanka
    • Sudan
    • Tajikistan
    • Tanzania
    • Thailand
    • Togo
    • Uganda
    • Uzbekistan
    • Vietnam
    • Zimbabwe

    There is another list of counties with ‘no vote recorded’

    • Azerbaijan
    • Burkina Faso
    • Cameroon
    • Djibouti
    • El Salvador
    • Equatorial Guinea
    • Iran
    • Sao Tome-Principe
    • Turkmenistan
    • Venezuela


    India explained their abstention as follows -

    ‘New Delhi's decision is "consistent" with its "well thought out national position" and the country stands ready to support all efforts aimed at de-escalation while underlining the importance of peaceful solution through dialogue and diplomacy.’

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,400 ✭✭✭cunavalos


    I don't think it's quite the 'gotcha' you think it is. Whatever about the sources for each incident and the original date the page was published, the page is updated in real time. The Ukrainian Mig in question is listed on that page as being destroyed on 12th October and lists a different Twitter account as the source

    https://twitter.com/Ukraine_AF/status/1580295418482950144?t=Yc0ZWfcz9JnxMDT_0ToGAQ&s=19



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,442 ✭✭✭bad2thebone


    It's been suggested now that Russia and Saudi Arabia are getting on better.

    If that annoys the West could the west get resentful, will that be a case of the friendship between the west side and east will sour.

    Iran and Russia are great friends also, could it possibly be a road map to peace in the middle east and the Shia and the Sunni nations could once and for all settle their differences and sell and buy from each and enrichment of fuel, food and industry in the Eastern hemisphere.

    And the West, with their green machine goes cold and dark. Could there be a total flip in the world economy ?

    Wind,waves and solar panels aint going to be sufficient enough to power the western hemisphere.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    And yet nobody has varifed it ,

    Including the link you posted from Last March to back up your claim.... Of happening yesterday,

    The another Link suggested two aircraft went down today on one the the 9th of October 4 days ago and no mig 29..

    Do you need the assistance of a jcb



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,657 ✭✭✭✭machiavellianme


    Maybe he's looking at his future map where Russia taken a good 70% of Europe to bring it down to Indian's size?



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  • Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    How can anyone not see that this is all on Russia and all as a result of their Paranoia and /or deflection from their Kleptocracy? There is zero justification for the Russian invasion. They have sold a story to their people that NATO is trying to surround them and therefore present a narrative that they a trying to protect Russia. The reality is that the only reason Russia's neighbours have requested to join NATO is as protection from the Madman next door. There has been no move by NATO to threaten Rusian territory or interests other that not rolling over and letting the Russian treat their neighbours like serfs.

    Is your view that because Russia have resources they should be able to do as they wish? Because that what it sounds like.

    Do some heavily populated countries abstaining for self-interest, ones who have little to no regard for thier own people, somehow trump the rights of Ukraine to territorial integrity?

    You also state that "western interference having helped to create this situation in the first place". This is pure bullsh*t. Russias behaviour towards their neighbours created this. Pure and simple. "The west" responding to requests for support from those countries under threat from Russia does not equal "create the situation in the first place". People form the Baltics, Poland, Georgia etc understand the reality of having an aggressive Russia as a neighbour. Their desire to not live as subservient to Russia is real and supporting that desire is not "creating this situation". That is all russia's doing. In fact the only way you could possibly say "the west created this situation" is not going harder on Russia earlier. And that authoritarian or quasi-authoritarian governments express ambivalence does not change facts.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,352 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    You do write quite a lot (even more than me?) and can put sentences together but it is (mostly) nonsense, which is a pity.

    As I said, your arguments about how these countries are important, are free to ignore what the West is doing here, will have their own priorities, don't wish to try and isolate Russia etc. + should not be criticised for this always cut both ways. If Western countries want to unwind their relations with Russia post Feb, "sanction" it as much as they can and also want to support Ukraine, why is this any business of the countries that refuse to condemn Russia or wish to keep some relations with it still? Why should Western countries sit back, do a three wise monkies and carry on normal relations with Russia as if nothing has changed at all in the relationship? Reality here is, Russia has opened hostilities with the "West" since Feb., things are very bad now, and Putin's issued alot of serious threats. These threats began even before the stronger sanctions and supply of much larger amounts of weapons to Ukraine kicked in.

    As you know, several of those states that voted no or abstained are not democracies, some like N. Korea, and Iran to a lesser extent, are prison states that people flee from when they can (ironically to the nasty arrogant "West", as was pointed out to you!). The foreign policy of such countries is even more a decision made in isolation by a few leaders than it is here or in other democracies. It certainly isn't what you try and paint it as, some expression of the will of angry masses in developing world to make a point against the arrogant West + in favour of Putin & his great crusade remaking the world order. Also Russia's (or China's or whoever elses') vast land area + resources has no relevance to this argument. Russia's land does not vote, or it is not supposed to.

    Talking floridly about this "global community" that should replace the (useless or unrepresentative) UN as you do while also saying Western countries are in some way wrong to try and isolate Russia/Putin for what has happened is a sad joke. There is currently little enough of a "global community" and it is obvious if Putin actually achieved his aims + most of the world stayed out of it and didn't say boo (which you believe is the correct policy), there will be even less of such a community in future. Large invasions & genocides in neighbouring sovereign states would be right "back on the menu boys" once you're big and ugly enough to pull it off. Every man (country/power bloc) for himself + a struggle to the death of all against all. Some community.

    edit: sps

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,030 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Christ, another Infowars diatribe

    Putin made the decision to invade Ukraine, no one else. He has no opposition, he is 20 years in power, the Duma rubber-stamps everything he says and like every dictator in history he always scapegoats his actions on others. No need to attempt to repackage his talking points we are all well aware of them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭pcardin


    A russian soldier from Buryati has installed in his flat a CCTV cam he robbed from a house in Liman, UA but did not cop on to change settings. Camera is streaming live video now from his flat for previous owner to watch it online.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    And yet in the same tweet linking the Ukrainans airforce which has no mention of this mig 29 getting shot down on their own varifed page...

    Then a link was provided from last March to varify the claim from yesterday.....

    It's not a gotcha.

    It's comedic at best ...

    This is the evidence of the mig 29 getting shot down which was repeated across the network of Kremlin bot accounts .





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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,785 ✭✭✭Homelander


    There's no point in debating with those crackpots. Their only interest is in muddying the waters with streams of disingenuous nonsense, completely in bad faith.

    I had to laugh at the sheer audacity of the above - some of the poorest, most corrupt, and human right violating states in the world are the only ones smart enough to see the truth about this conflict.

    Just ignore them. Don't respond, don't engage, don't even bother reading their posts. They are absolutely not interested in logic, reality or reason, their only interest, again, is in continuously trying to muddy perfectly clear waters with utter crap wrapped up to sound pseudo intelligent.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭pcardin


    Coulda Shoulda Woulda?

    I could, but you and your misserable fascist country will be long gone from existance on this planet before that happens. Now, send me 15 rubles as I made a reply post to you. 🤑



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,849 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout



    Oryx is well respected and (as far as I can tell) independent. Everyone seems to defer to him. If he's counting it then that's good enough for me.

    This is going to be a long war. I strongly believe that Ukraine will win it. However that doesn't mean that every piece of news is going to be good news for them. There are going to be lost troops, lost equipment and maybe even lost battles. Although I would rather that they do not occur I, for one, would like to be informed of when they happen. Unless they're an obvious troll, I don't see the benefit of hounding anybody who dares to post any bad news for Ukraine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,526 ✭✭✭circadian


    Iran has it's own thing to deal with right now and by the looks of it there's a revolution under way. If that is successful then there's little to no chance of them backing the Russians. Lebanon and Israel reaching agreements on their oil/gas fields is a good sign and if Iran does change regime and becomes a more neutral player that will further stabilise the region but I doubt they'd want to take on the burden that is Russia in it's current state. Saudi Arabia are running the risk of becoming a pariah state, their oil is the only thing giving them any relevance on the international stage.


    As for the green machine. Plenty of western nations are capable of producing gas/oil/coal/nuclear power. It may take time to make up for the shortfall but with advances in storage technology the move away from fossil fuels will accelerate, it's inevitable.


    Russia's failures have shone the spotlight on many authoritarian states and most of them are starting to look a little shaky. China is clearly trying to increase influence globally but that is more of a soft power effort (police stations in other nations, economic polices etc) they have no desire for an armed conflict.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,636 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    The link has an initial publish date of March, it has been updated continuously since then.

    If you had checked any of the sources used by oryx there you would see they date from as recently as a few days ago



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,274 ✭✭✭EOQRTL


    There's plenty of stuff out there showing Ukrainian losses on the battlefield. I do find it bizarre that if anyone posts anything to that effect even with evidence they are considered a putinbot, paid Russian troll etc... by the clique here. Hiding heads in the sand and pretending this is a cake walk for Ukraine is fooling nobody. If it was a cakewalk Russia would be back to pre February borders months ago.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    I questioned one poster,on one claim who then Linked oryx post Last March to back up a claim from something that supposedly happened yesterday,and it's not the first time either.

    Nobody is saying they haven't lost or aren't losing men and equipment.

    But when the claim comes from an account previously pointed out as a Kremlin bot account that's linked to previously and denied it was a Russian bot account in the first place..

    People were demanding no Twitter or telegram be posted because of fake news but yet it something is honestly questioned it's a problem



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 183 ✭✭LastFridayNight


    Any threat of an escalation using nuclear weapons would be worrying, and bring the war much closer to those living outside Ukraine. So it's understandable that people here and on other forums are nervous and anxious. However, there is little cause for concern I think. We can see that if they detonated a nuclear bomb, Putin and Russia would lose the most precious bargaining chip they have right now- the threat of detonating a bomb. The notion that Russia is unstable and ready to deploy a nuclear weapon is a much more powerful force than an actual bomb itself. That is because the consequences of such an escalation are non-predictable- Russia can't determine the outcome, any very few if any of the resulting scenarios end up in Russia's favor. So I think we can put that one to bed.


    However, you might then argue that a detonation of a nuclear weapon could be the result of rage, a madman, or a mis-calculation. Well, the Russians and the Americans have spend decades putting frameworks in place so that doesn't happen. Also, consider this- Russia is desperate to end this war as soon as possible. It's been a ****-show for them; the government wants to end it, but the hard bit is doing so and remaining in power. We know Russia want an end because a) the economic evidence tells us Russia is in the can. Despite all the Russian state TV ranting, it's actually economics generally being the primary driver for most governmental decision making anywhere in the world, including Russia. This war has come at a terrible desperate cost for Russia (and I'm not even talking about the body count). b) secondly we know Russia have for weeks wanting to get back to the negotiating table. The problem here is Ukraine are saying no, and quite rightly; Every day in this war is making Russia's negotiating position weaker.


    In short, Russia can't continue for much longer and they need an exit. The problem is that the only possible exit right now, to withdraw from the fight, is orthogonal to the reasons they entered the war in the first place. In a normal functioning democracy, the next answer is easy- change your government and blame the mess on the last. Of course, that too seems impossible right now for Russia. And so the ****-show continues.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,122 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    42 months have passed since this chip was made. Going by the above, if Russian production is 3 missiles a month, they would have 126 kh-101 missiles left.

    I doubt the Russians have been sitting on their hands since the war started, but even if they doubled or tripled production going into the war, you're maybe looking at another 18-36 extra missiles on top of the 126.

    There are also stocks of Kalibr and Iskander and many other older types of missile that don't feature into this calculation. But it does seem reasonable to think that the scale of missile attacks we saw earlier in the week aren't sustainable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,122 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,442 ✭✭✭bad2thebone


    I often wondered if they could condense oil down and make it so when it's burnt via engines, and transmissions it could actually run as efficient at one tenth or more than it's already burning, therefore reduce the emissions of up to 90% break down engine, boiler and generator sizes but make them as powerful and more efficient.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,919 ✭✭✭GM228


    It appears that the The Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe (PACE) has become the first international body to formally declare Russia to be a terrorist state (99 to 1), they have also apparently declared Russia's membership of the UN to be unlawful (that in itself does not change anything as the CoE does not have any bearing on the UN).



  • Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Didn't spend a huge amount of time wondering as you should have quickly concluded that the fractional distillation of crude oil into fuel is already doing that in effect. What you are then left with is effectively CH molecules (C8H18 for example in petrol) which release energy through burning, releasing CO2 and H2O. Its the number of molecules that determines the energy released. For a given energy the emissions from Hydrocabons will be pretty constant



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,192 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    I have been trying to find some footage I saw, but failed, of a Ukrainian carrying a 6 rotor drone, which extended from his feet to over his head, so was probably 2m across and could likely lift a toddler. If a little DGI encountered that thing...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭Hobgoblin11


    2 Ukrainian planes crashed in Poltava region

    Dundalk, Co. Louth



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭Hobgoblin11



    A Ukrainian Su-24MR dedicated tactical reconnaissance aircraft (59 Yellowith 0741612) crashed in the vicinity of Shyshaky, Poltava Oblast yesterday. Was shot down by a missile after combat task in Eastern Ukraine, pilots ejected, but 1 died

    Dundalk, Co. Louth



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Yeah I know the ones ,it's a multi rotar,they use similar ones in agriculture they can carry over 250kg of munitions



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,665 ✭✭✭✭Supercell


    Seems like a ferocious fight going on the Bakhmut area still. Hard to really know what the situation is but both sides seem to be giving it a right go.


    Have a weather station?, why not join the Ireland Weather Network - http://irelandweather.eu/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,002 ✭✭✭Dufflecoat Fanny



    FOREIGN AID BY COUNTRY 2022

    In 2021, the United States budgeted $38 billion for foreign aid spending. As of this reporting, it has disbursed over $32 billion. Almost 25% of that budget has gone to just ten countries:

    1. Ethiopia ($1.13 billion) abstained
    2. Jordan ($1.03 billion) in favour
    3. Afghanistan ($860 million) in favour
    4. South Sudan ($821 million) abstained
    5. Congo ($814 million) abstained
    6. Yemen ($814 million) in favour
    7. Nigeria ($803 million) in favour
    8. Syria ($774 million) against
    9. Sudan ($488 million) abstained
    10. Somalia ($475 million) in favour

    US should cut off the five countries that went against or abstained in this vote. Send the difference to Ukraine in the form of lend lease. These s*hithole countries should be left to rot.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,575 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt




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