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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,192 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Screenshot_20221013-114040_Telegram.jpg

    (screenshot)

    They do drink detergent.


    The Ukrainians said they were using the Bushmasters a lot for urban warfare because the situational awareness was so much better than BMPs and tanks, which crash into trees and other things a lot because the drivers can barely see.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Have you actual evidence this happened other than the same claim made by a pro russian account word for word with the same mistakes



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,398 ✭✭✭SortingYouOut


    My side good, uggh. No talk about bad side uggh

    Beverly Hills, California



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,140 ✭✭✭Gregor Samsa




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,491 ✭✭✭zv2


    It looks like history is starting up again.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    I'm not sure that's quite the best read of it. It seems most likely that 'the west' would intervene by use of conventional forces if Russian uses a nuclear device in Ukraine. But would then have to be at a very high degree of preparedness, in case Russia then decided to retaliate by launching nuclear missiles at the various states involved. The question at that stage would be: do you wait for them to escalate or get your defence in first and prevent them. Any use of a nuclear device could lead very quickly and inevitably towards wider use and risk the destruction of many Russian cities as well. That must be the core of the present message to the Russian administration.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 146 ✭✭Wes M.


    Wishful thinking on my behalf but indulge me: Putin is in Kazakhstan this morning for an Asian business meeting, and I wonder whenever he leaves Russian airspace does the thought cross his mind whether he'll get back in ? Would there be anyone in the Kremlin right now who could harness the anxieity of the elites and use their influence to get control of the army and put an end to Putin's disastrous misadventure ? Having said that, I recently read a piece which suggested that Putin is not the least worst option in the Kremlin right now, that there are more extreme figures in there... which is a chilling thought.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,785 ✭✭✭macraignil


    Makes me wonder if putin might be holding off launching a nuclear weapon in case it did something similar and hit russian terrritory rather than anywhere he would have preferred to target. Good to see some more air defense systems reaching Ukraine for the effect on the nuclear situation as well as a nuclear missile from russia being shot down could be another major embarrassment and while not impacting on Ukraine could give valid justification for NATO raising their involvement to stop him launching more.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,549 ✭✭✭Raoul Duke III


    Like when Gorbachev got effectively placed under house arrest in his Crimean dacha?

    'No' is the simple answer. The power vertical only contains those loyal to Putin. There are no effective leaderships in waiting (even 'the opposition' in the Duma answers to him).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,259 ✭✭✭Thinkingaboutit


    Russian created Telegram and other Telegram channels posing as Ukrainian or neural and posting demoralising news about Ukraine and exaggerating Russian advances are well known. Standard demoralisation in the KGB tradition. They often post fakes of official UA Telegram or other social media. Omar Dibo is a pro-Ruzzian propagandist who publishes fakes and various bit of Russian propaganda. It is just simply a fake. One common fake is the claim that the UA C-in-C has a Nazi bracelet, when any good quality copy of the image shows this is a distortion. What is on the bracelet are an array of Slavic pagan symbols. One of them vaguely looks like a Swastika but is no such thing.

    I have read there are many ultra-nat Z radicals, for which cutting the Kerch road bridge section was perhaps a sort of a domestically aimed pretext for missile strikes (the logistically relevant railway was not cut just the road which is for Russian civilians and soldiers, a category Putin patently cares little about), it would still be likely that the war would end with Putin. Even a new would be map painter would just want to end the disaster of the 'special operation.' Now those public critics are not that close to power, but as with retired FSB officer Igor Girkin (not Dugin even if he was ranting yesterday out about light and bombing Ukrainians) Putin respects and permits their criticisms of ineffective waging of war, within boundaries, and they have political heft with a portion of the Russian population. Even dictators need to keep a domestic constituency happy and the rest passive (which Putin has managed so far, even with the exodus of young men). I think philosopher Vlad Vexler provides a good analysis.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,192 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    What Iran gets out of it is food and 'the enemy of my enemy is my friend' as runner up. They imported a huge quantity of grain from Russia last year due to a terrible harvest and given all the sanctions, hard currency may be a bit scarce, so this might be one way to pay for food they need. Food is a pretty big motivator and is what I think Putin is really after in Ukraine.

    Those drones are fairly simple and cheap so I'd imagine they can make them quite rapidly, even though they are supposedly hand made and not on a production line.

    Forbes have another take on Irans motivations that I don't agree with: https://www.forbes.com/sites/pauliddon/2022/10/13/why-iran-arming-russia-with-drones-is-utterly-cynical/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 146 ✭✭Wes M.


    (from The Guardian 12.26 BST)

    Putin proposes 'major gas hub' in Turkey at talks with Erdogan

    Putin: "What can I do to change your mind...?"

    Erdogan: "I'm listening..."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Reminds me the proposed pipeline from iraq , Syria, Turkey and then into Western Europe bypassing the need for the Russians gas and oil , which supposedly prompted putin to support Assad and keep him in power



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,636 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    More planes down inside Ukrainian territory - chasing drones again apparently

    This on top of the MiG near vinnytsia yesterday - or is it still fake news?

    Update:

    Russian MoD is now claiming responsibility for the downing, saying that their air defence downed a Ukrainian Su-27 in Poltava region



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    This is absolute first,

    Drone wars , Ukrainian drone vs Russian guess who loses




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    This is the video which claim's to show the demoralized Ukrainians military forces retreating from Ivangrad either early today or yesterday,I see a combat patrol moving in an area.

    No gunfire or heavy artillery fire but according to pro z pages this shows the Ukrainan military collapsing....





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 478 ✭✭Run Forest Run


    In the west, we like to frame votes such as this as if it is a global universal viewpoint. When in fact, the result actually represents less than half of the world's population. But the UN is supposed to be about a global effort towards international peace and co-operation. But rather, it very often serves as a vehicle for mostly the old world legacy powers to do whatever they wish.

    Right from the outset of Russia's invasion (and even beforehand), there has been deep discontent with western leadership/strategy towards this conflict from many nations around the world. Even some who voted in favour of this resolution have voiced their concerns about certain aspects of this approach. But you can see the arrogance of western powers in how dismissive they are of these concerns. The percentage of the world's population that didn't back this resolution, doesn't even warrant much of a mention in western media or political discourse. Never mind a deep in depth discussion, which it most certainly deserves.

    This is why I wrote that post, because many in the west will be unaware of those stats. It is framed in such a way, to deceive the casual observer in quite a duplicitous manner.

    Most of the nations on that list, are not necessarily endorsing Russia's war in Ukraine. Only 5 nations outright rejected the resolution. So it's not correct to say, that just because the other 45 nations failed to back the resolution that they are supporting war. This again, would be a disingenuous statement to make.

    Really, it's a stark rejection of western leadership and strategy. The approach of attempting to sanction Russia into oblivion, and create yet another internationally ostracised pariah state to add to the giant pile we already have, is being rejected by quite a considerable group of nations. For a very simple and logical reason, they're smart enough to know that this strategy does not work and will not work. In the long run, it will only make things worse from a global perspective.

    And also, many of these nations are unhappy with what they see as western interference having helped to create this situation in the first place.

    The fact that most in the west, see no cause for self reflection or introspection from such a vote is quite revealing of our mindset in this part of the world. We really couldn't care less about any nations that don't see the world our way. We don't really value any coherent notion of a "global community"... we merely pay lip service to such ideals. And many nations are wise enough to see through our insincere approach to international relations.

    We won't get away with this arrogant approach for very much longer. Many of these nations may not have the legacy power that the old guard have, but they are growing in strength and influence every year. Individually, you may get away with ostracising one or two nations. But collectively, on a large scale, it's a disastrous strategy. And it will blow up in our face in the years to come.

    Not to mention, all of these nations are important for the future of our world. The strategy of creating isolated pariah states is incredibly stupid.

    Just take Russia as one example, they own roughly 10% of the earth's entire landmass - and possibly the deepest untapped array of natural resources of any nation on earth. Many people used to believe that most of their territory was useless frozen tundra, but not anymore. They thought the same about Alaska back when Russia sold it to the US, calling it "Seward's folly" as useless frozen wasteland. But now it's the most resource rich state in the entire USofA. And ecologically, an area I'm very familiar with, Russia is also massively important for the future of our planet. As just one example, Russia is home to more than one fifth of all the trees on our planet. So attempting to turn 10% of our world's landmass into an isolated pariah state with over 6,000 nuclear warheads, is one of the most monumentally dumb ideas you could ever possibly think up.

    So yes, the UN is not fit for purpose. They do not help to protect the interests of the global community, but rather act as a self serving conduit for a relatively small corral of western old world elites. Just like many other outdated international organisations and useless "clubs" that mankind has invented to wield it's power. We need to bin most of them, and start again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,352 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    Thanks for the article.

    I don't agree about Putin and motivations, the agricultural land or other resources gained for him or his toadies and oligarchs (i.e. "Russia" in his mind presumably) by a successful outcome in Ukraine were just a side benefit I think. It does not really put forward a motivation for Iran to become Putin's weapon supplier apart from spite - this obviously hurts the US, and the regime is (naturally I suppose) obsessed with America.

    I would agree there may be more to it than that this, given it seems to have alot of potential negatives for Iran and expect it will come home to roost for them at some point.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,122 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett



    It sounds like these are separate incidents. The one you're posting is from Poltava. The one I posted yesterday is from Vinnystia.

    It's hardly surprising both sides are losing aircraft. Even to a complete lay person like me, the missions they are doing are very risky.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,527 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    They are pathological liars. It's obvious that everything they said about the 'partial mobilisation' was a lie - numerous men with no military experience were called up and it looks like a good few were sent straight into the war zone.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,527 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    No idea about the veracity, but that is a pro-Putin Twitter account full of Kremlin propaganda.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,122 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    The Air Force has confirmed the loss of one Ukrainian bomber, Air Force spokesman Yuriy Ignat said in a statement to the Ukrainian Air Force.


    After completing a combat mission, he was hit by a missile. The crew decided to return to the base airfield, did not arrive, suffered a crash.


    The pilots ejected, but one of them did not survive.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    And it's getting repeatedly on here as varifed fact ...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    One confirmed Downed today.


    The mig 29 came from a well known Russian bot account and reposted on here and claimed to be varifed by the Ukrainans,

    No mention from the Ukrainans Minister of defense and no mention from the Ukrainans airforce official varifed accounts



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,785 ✭✭✭macraignil


    The UN never forced russia to invade its neighbour and kill thousands of civilians including whole families and children and dumping their bodies in mass graves and indescriminately bombing areas where their ground forces have failed to gain control. Framing the recent UN vote as anything other than a condemnation of russias actions is one of the most ridiculous things I have read. You are describing russia as the victim in this sitaution which I think is very sick way of looking at recent history and current events.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,418 ✭✭✭Field east


    What about Russia in size comparison and what ‘ adjective/category “ should one use to describe Russia! This post is a bit off the point but still!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 387 ✭✭dvega


    Good piece

    Few quotes below

    In addition, the business executives and officials said, even if the strikes succeed in damaging more of Ukraine’s electricity and energy networks with the fighting dragging on into the freezing winter, there are questions over how many missiles Russia has left and how long it can sustain a bombing campaign. The missiles “are being produced. But in single units. And the old reserves are running out,” one state official said.


    “No one is happy with the status quo,” the Russian state official said. “It is clear that a military or political victory will not be possible. But a loss is not possible either. This is turning into the situation in chess known as zugzwang, when each step is worse than the next and yet it is impossible not to move.”

    The optimism of the summer when, according to a second state official, many in the country’s elite believed “we’ll turn everything around and find a way” has completely evaporated. “People see there is no future,” he said.


    But few in Moscow say Putin will resort to deploying a tactical nuclear strike, despite the Kremlin’s statements, the Moscow businessman said, because “then he won’t have any cards left,” while China could block that kind of escalation. “This is a Pandora’s box [the Chinese] don’t want opened,” he said.

    Saudi Arabia’s support for oil production cuts this winter seemed to have emboldened the Russian president, said the same Moscow executive, who maintains contacts with political officials. Even if energy prices remain at the same level, Putin “thinks Europe will be in crisis and will have no time for Ukraine.”


    “All of business is suffering from what’s happening. Everyone has frozen their investment plans,” he said. The previous belief that Russia could redirect trade flows away from the West through China, Kazakhstan and India is fast melting away, two of the business executives said. Kazakhstan has begun to block cargoes carrying European goods into Russia, while the Chinese were beginning to stop certain supplies, too.

    “Everyone is completely frustrated. The mood is very bad,” a third senior Russian businessman said.

    Members of Moscow’s elite are beginning to speak about potential leadership change in a way they have never done before in more than 20 years of Putin’s rule — though no one can say how or when this might happen.

    “We have begun entering a revolutionary situation,” the first state official said. “Everyone is waiting for something other than what is happening now: a different leadership, a different war. The hawks want tougher action. The doves want no war at all. The time for a change of the political system is ripening. But how it will happen, I don’t know.”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,736 ✭✭✭20silkcut


    if you rip up the world and start all over again, in time it will end up the very same again . A tiny elite controlling most of the resources . Maybe a different tiny elite but it will be equally as tiny and equally elite.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,122 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    The plane downed yesterday is not dis-info, no matter how much scutter you keep writing.

    It was posted on a leading Ukraine news channel which only posts in the Ukrainian language and has over 3 million Youtube subscribers.



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