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Irish Government Selling Visas for GAA stadium

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,849 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    Just so we're clear is your problem with the flogging of Irish residency or with the money from that going to a sports stadium?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 682 ✭✭✭TheWonderLlama


    Our very own "Cash for Ash" scandal in the making.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,539 ✭✭✭hawley


    I think it's wrong to sell residency in this manner. I don’t see the point of it. Is it possible to see who bought residency here. There are potential security issues with it too. The GAA shouldn't get 90 percent of the money for a stadium. It's far too much. Two separate issues though.

    Communication was the greatest fatality



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,035 ✭✭✭Sultan of Bling




  • Posts: 4,501 [Deleted User]


    2.8 million for one small town soccer club!


    There's absolutely wild amounts of cash in this. Where is the catch?



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  • Posts: 390 [Deleted User]


    The Commission is taking Malta to Court for selling citizenship, hopefully they'll come after countries selling residency next




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,193 ✭✭✭screamer


    A disgrace, GAA is already a gravy train, don’t they get enough from matches/ sell out concerts and all other manner of fees. They pay the players nothing. Why are they getting government to give them residency as prizes to facilitate building their facilities? Something very wrong with all this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,101 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    Corrupt politicians selling passports to buy votes.

    Nothing to see here….



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,325 ✭✭✭randd1


    Basically, a scheme whereby the government says, "If you're wealthy, and you want to reside here long term, you have to pay your way to contribute to the area". And that's a problem, why?

    We have a huge number of our own citizens who's sole contribution to the state is to bleed it of every euro of social welfare payments out of it and never contributing back, or business men moving their tax affairs abroad to avoid paying them here. At least these people are actively giving large sums to be invested into the area, and are likely to be people working and paying taxes here.

    Or is the problem that the GAA is getting the money? So what if they are, it's a very minuscule amount compared to the worth the GAA provides to the country via economics, community welfare, health, entertainment, facilities etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,035 ✭✭✭Sultan of Bling


    I agree in principle to what you're saying.

    I would just like to know who exactly these individuals are.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,494 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Phase 2 comprises an international sized 4G astro pitch, 2 astro cages, a third grass pitch and an extension of the clubhouse that plans to feature a gym, office facilities, etc.

    Seems about right for that.

    I for one think it is absolute fantastic we are finally getting the facilities the likes of England and the continent have had for decades, even if the money is slightly dodge.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,849 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout



    Literally nothing in that statement was factual. Impressive!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,234 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    The IIP Scheme appears to have been in operation for alost a decade. It's not the first GAA facility to secure funding in this manner:

    https://www.donegalsporthub.com/termon-gaa-get-six-figure-windfall-via-unique-investment/

    (There are more no doubt)

    And it's not the first sporting organisation to avail of the scheme:

    I'd suggest there are far more sporting organisations that have benefited from funding in the same manner. There are a large number of non-profits that have received finances from this scheme also from what I can tell.


    It appears to be a fairly robust application process for funding (from what I can tell) there's a review here: https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/e7fd87-interim-evaluation-of-the-immigrant-investor-programme-iip/

    And it seems to be a way in which ANY organisation can attempt to garner funding subject to the varios legal requirements.

    I suppose the question around selling Visas in the first instance is the thorny one - once the individuals have passed a vetting process (and I believe there is a stringent one in place) I don't really have an issue.

    It's extremely difficult for sports and other organisations to raise funds and if this is another option - so be it. Probably needs to be co-ordinated a bit better on the sporting bodies side though I would suggest.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,234 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    I'm not sure where the issue is here to be honest. The GAA aren't "Creaming" it.

    People seem to think that the income from Croke park pays for all the pitch maintainence, lighting, running costs, development costs of the entire body on an annual basis.

    Very very far from the truth. As an organisation with one of the highest memberships in the country that promotes community and sport for young and old, any funds that go towards helping develop and enhance facilities should be welcomed ( as with ANY sporting organisation)

    Post edited by kippy on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,193 ✭✭✭screamer


    Well no organisation is in it for the sake of it, GAA get a lot of voluntary help, and grant funding, donated land, and charge a fortune for everything they can from tickets to club wear and just because the local GAA club mightn’t be all bells and whistles, they surely can’t be creaming it? I’m sure the top brass aren’t voluntary. There’s plenty of other organisations that do wonderful work in their communities and they wouldn’t get these ridiculous sweeteners and neither should any organisation. Selling residency for funding is reprehensible. Wide open for corruption and fuel for more of the same dodgy politics we have all seen too much of.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,234 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    It's not a GAA scheme - its a scheme developed by the Irish Government and run via a number of it's departments (Jusitice and Foreign Affairs I believe)

    I'd suggest the GAA get a lot of grant funding as:

    1. They have people that apply for it.
    2. They have the highest participation of any sporting organisation in the country.

    ANY organisation can apply for funding through it. I've shown an example of a Soccer club in an earlier post but there are plenty voluntary bodies, sporting and otherwise, that have accessed funding through this scheme from what I can tell.

    GAA Clubs aren't in it to make money - neither is the GAA as a whole - like most sporting organisations on the ground.

    The process to access this funding is not as straightforward as you appear to think it is I would suggest - however I do believe the FAI, IRFU, GAA and other sporting umbrella groups could do with being more organised around accessing these levels of funding.


    The costs to run a club (of any type) annually are not insignificant, particularily when the club wants to develop further/build more facilities etc. All the more difficult to do when you are relying on the time of volunteers to try access funding. If there is additional funding available that will improve participation levels in sport for your people, make the best use of it I say.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,327 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    Most countries have similar schemes. It seems that this one involves a "gift" rather than an investment too.


    You can get yourself a green card in the US as long as you have $500k to invest into a business there (250k in certain areas/regions)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,327 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    Is it possible to see who bought residency here

    Are you looking for a "sugar daddy"?


    I'm a billionaire meself but only into the Slovenian models so you're probably out of luck



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,101 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,849 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout



    1. They're not selling off passports
    2. No, politicians campaigning for and taking credit for capital investment in their area isn't corruption




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,539 ✭✭✭hawley


    More than 1,400 international millionaires have bought Irish residency over the past ten years.

    Almost 94% of those granted Irish residency have been Chinese nationals.

    I didn’t know the figures before I started the thread but guessed that a huge number of them would be Chinese. It is part of the Chinese government's policy to gain influence across the Western world. It stops our government from commenting on human rights issues and gives them massive leverage in business deals. It is so naive on behalf of our government.

    Communication was the greatest fatality



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,539 ✭✭✭hawley


    The government is now going to close this scheme, probably under pressure from the American government. Absolutely crazy on behalf of our government to allow Chinese businesses to have so much power in this country. Am surprised how little interest there is in this story.


    Communication was the greatest fatality



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 513 ✭✭✭getoutadodge


    So what's the problem. This government are handing out full citizenship like candy to bullshitters abusing the asylum system at a cost of billions. I'd take the investors any day over these.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,059 ✭✭✭conorhal


    Why not neither?


    China has been pouring citizens into Canada and buying political influence there for a decade now. This is just another example of our politicians selling the nation out from under us. do you think this hot money form China is poured in here without an agenda?



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