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Tesla Model 3 - V3.0

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,267 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    Yeah this should probably definitely have its own separate thread now at this stage………



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,612 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    Even the lower buffer cars won’t do 491km.

    Did you think before buying you’d get 491km from the car?



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,612 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    everyone understands, it’s getting enough people that has this “issue”.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,612 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    No need for the video presentation. People understand it perfectly well.

    no need to be ignorant in your replies.

    If you don’t like it bring it back and move on with life.

    Im going out not to try achieve the 57mpg bmw promised me in my 520d. Stupid bleeding buffers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,207 ✭✭✭innrain


    On a happier note last night in a span of 2 minutes I've been blinded by 3 Teslas. Bloody Teslas everywhere now, and they can't fix they lights.

    Joke aside after the last upgrade the auto high beam came on by default but I've changed that immediately. Hope they'll fix it soon or we'll get a reputation.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,401 ✭✭✭Fingleberries


    I noticed that, too. Since the last update the Auto High Beams are on by default when you start the car (not just when you switch on AP

    Is there a way to switch this off by default? I forget to do it every now and again until I accidentally blind oncoming traffic or a poor pedestrian.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,267 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy



    I almost always know it's a Model 3 coming towards me because of the sudden blindness it induces!!

    I usually needed to 'level' my lights every few months, but I did it about 2 weeks ago, and needed to do it again a few days later as they crept up faster than normal.

    As for auto high beams in AP, I don't have it!!!! So I must be in some sort of hybrid unicorn than prevents it from enabling itself (I have a 2020 Fremont car, but with the refresh steering wheel).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 435 ✭✭mc2022B2TF


    Haha I think most of the "ignorance" on this thread came towards me when I initially raised the issue. I was completely shot down on multiple occasions and was certainly condescended to as a newbie who didn't know much.

    People getting their feelings hurt now because they find it hard to admit I was right and that even though I had only owened the car for a week, I had the common sense to know something was not right.

    And judging by 90% of the replies, eh no, this matter is not understood well at all.

    I'm sorry if me being right is hard to listen to and feels ignorant.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,207 ✭✭✭innrain


    I've done it in the controls screen.

    ON Note the symbol on the right hand side also tells you is set.

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    OFF

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    Also there was a question about auto heated seats

    This is auto. Slight darker shade of ....

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    Manual once auto seats is disabled you see the slight border of the two buttons Auto and seats .

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 435 ✭✭mc2022B2TF


    Classic example of not understanding whats being said and more shouting down. Of course the car can do 491km if u drive it at 117 wh/km which could be done Sunday driving under the right circumstances.

    So it certainly can be done, maybe not in the real world but it's perfectly possible.

    Sure didn't we have someone on here a while back telling me he can get 105 wh/km out of the car! When trying to argue against me.

    When it's suits a narrative it seems like People can flip and argue both sides.

    "Ah sure just ask for a refund if u don't like it"



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 435 ✭✭mc2022B2TF


    Tesla aren't interested and won't look at other people's regs due to GDPR

    I asked them to look at the issue as a whole and they said they can't look at other customers cars unless they ask.

    They are not arsed.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,612 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    The difference is, I would never buy the base M3 expecting it to do the WLPT figure of 491km.

    Yes it’s possible in theory but to get the magical figure of 117 wh/km out of a the battery to achieve it is impossible in the real world as you’ve stated yourself.

    Nobody is belittling your issue, but when someone doesn’t exactly agree with you, you throw out the “nobody understands” comment.

    People perfectly understand. You posting in here about will do nothing so you must decide to keep the car or not.

    My 520d I’m sure can do 1000km from a tank if I drive it to achieve its WLPT mpg figure. But in the real world I can’t achieve that figure over a full tank.

    Nobody is disputing it can’t be done mathematically. Your BMS calibration issue based on a larger useable battery capacity is what has you miffed. And that’s what you need to A) get on with it or B) hand the car back.

    Unless Tesla release a software update to the “effected” cars I don’t see it going any other way.

    There’s a few threads on TMC Forum where they stated their LFP has a useable battery capacity of 52.5 kWh.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,158 ✭✭✭reni10


    I had an SR+ before I got the RWD version a few weeks ago so I am well versed in what the car can and cannot do!

    What I do expect though is that the car can do the advertised range using the actual figures that Tesla themselves provide and with this large buffer on the Sep delivered RWD that is just not possible so that is in fact my gripe!



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,612 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    So you expected 491km?

    What range can the car actually do?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,197 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    He doesnt expect 491km.

    He expected the mathematical numbers to add up. 491km is calculated using a constant wh/km figure. Yes it is unachievable in real life. However that's not important. What's important is the sum total. So 117wh/km gives 491km. That gives a total available kWh energy. However what he is experiencing is that the total energy available doesnt match what is shown at the start.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,612 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    I get that. Hence the BMS battery calibration comment.

    I don’t think it can be fixed without a Tesla software change.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,158 ✭✭✭reni10


    I expect the car to be able to do the theoretical numbers that Tesla advertised to me and know very well in the real world it is not possible but my car is not possible to achieve the theoretical numbers either so that is the issue!

    Also yes we know it will be a software change from Tesla to lower the buffer so the theoretical numbers can be achieved but they are NOT listening so that is why we are highlighting it!



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,612 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    I think you have to bypass sandyford and go higher up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,401 ✭✭✭Fingleberries


    I think this would be key - I know that someone earlier mentioned that they had suggested to Bjorn to test with a Sept deliver M3 and he did a very thorough video on that.

    It would be somewhere higher than Sandyford that this would need to be escalated, and (with all due respect to Boards) it would need to be somewhere that more visible public noise could be made about it that will likely see results (Not sure of where that would be: Tweet Elon?, EV press or wide visibility blogs like Teslerati / Electrek, etc?)



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,612 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    If it makes any difference, I cancelled one of my LR orders this year.

    I ordered in Feb, cancelled in august around delivery time.

    Sandyford and Irish CS said I can’t get refund even though I bout an M3P from inventory.

    I emailed CS in the UK and refund was done within 3 days.

    ContactUK@tesla.com



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,158 ✭✭✭reni10


    There is a post on Tesla Motors Club too and there are posts on Reddit and tweets to Elon Musk to ask him why the buffer is so big too but no further comment from Tesla.

    And I completely agree that Sandyford is too low in the chain but to actually get this in front of someone in Tesla that can do something is proving very difficult.

    Anyone got some email addresses for people in Tesla HQ that we could target and highlight this to?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 104 ✭✭drver1


    100% to 50% awhile ago, 26kwh

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 435 ✭✭mc2022B2TF


    The problem is that Tesla are well aware about what's going on here. Very well aware of it. All the cloak and daggers they have surrounding their batteries and the total lack of transparency around them is the exact reason that allows them to do whatever they want, like this.

    It's extremely dishonest behaviour

    But as they have such a cult following the masses just bow to them without question.

    People on here and one in particular on the TMC forum actively defending Tesla and being pure apologists for them, is scary. They will spend plenty of time blindly defending them rather than try and actually take time to properly look at the issue.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 435 ✭✭mc2022B2TF


    Be careful with that efficency - you might actually hit the EPA!

    IMPRESSIVE

    But yeah another 52kWh'er to add to fhe list.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,207 ✭✭✭innrain


    why the buffer is so big

    For me that is the important question. Why did Tesla decide the need for this buffer. If it is for calibration purposes it is very possible it will revert back to the original size. There was a case on the earlier deliveries when the car remained without power even with the display saying 4% left or something like that. Would this increased buffer protect drivers from such issues. Are the LFP batteries dropping the energy suddenly towards the lower limit and they need to see their behavior? Unrelated but when I got my car I couldn't charge faster than 140 kW, then 170 kW and later on reached 237kW. It is kinda known they do this with new chemistries. Would it be possible they do the same with buffers and release them based on the driving patterns/usage?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 435 ✭✭mc2022B2TF


    I mean its 100% to do with protecting the battery. I'd say some of the early cars had some bad experiences as the LFP completely died and was unrecoverable

    Grand

    But be up front about it. And why not alter existing cars via software update? Why just new one

    And finally if u are going to do that then reduce the displayed range of 100% to zero.

    It's just trying to pull the wool over customers eyes. They knew they had to address the battery buffer but did it in a completely dishonest manner. Someone high up made the decision and it will all come out I hope in time.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 19,920 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    I've not heard of any LFP battery failures, Telsa battery failures are related to water egress and bad packs, no buffer increase will mitigate against those.

    A bad pack is a write off in Tesla's eyes, just look at the new Y structural battery pack, they've flooded the battery pack in pink hard foam to seal it from water, anything goes wrong in those packs and it's 100% a write off as the pink stuff makes recovery near impossible.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 280 ✭✭jordan191


    I think this is the reason why Tesla don't advertise battery size, they're constantly tweaking things.

    Take for example I have a 2021 Dec M3P which to the best of my knowledge has a 82 KwH Panasonic battery,

    but earlier 2021 M3Ps had a 75Kwh battery & newer 2022 cars have a different 75Kwh battery unit also which are slower from 100-200km/hr.

    Personally if it doesn't make a hugh difference to your everyday driving don't sweat about it, they'll probably update the software in a few months

    to reduce the buffer size.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 438 ✭✭speedfreak


    Some nice software updates today particularly the energy app. More stats!



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