Russia - threadbanned users in OP

There's plenty of strategic interest in the yanks destabilising Europe when all of its top companies have based their entire global tax operations, who pay f**k all, within the zone of Europe. While at the same time the yanks have to pay for their based military assets here, which ain't cheap either. But hey, that's obviously some sort of George Soroz Owl bohemian illuminati cult conspiracy too, ami Rite?

Basically, yeah. Most businesses want to be based in places that are safe, reliable and functional. That's a good reason, for example, why Northern Ireland had such a hard time attracting investment for the decades. Bombs were going off on a daily basis, hence it wasn't very stable.

If the U.S. were to knowingly destabilise European countries, they are inherently introducing unpredictability and they won't know what kinds of governments will rise out of that. You could very easily get one of the right wing populists nibbling around the edge of most, if not all, European democracies, demanding that US corporations based in those countries pay their fair share. Consequently, those companies end up having to pay more or just move altogether.

There is great strategic interest in the US having military assets in Europe and having many western European countries in NATO. It provides Europe with a security guarantee from a certain country to the east who we needn't name. Consequently, it keeps a lid on the idea of Europe consolidating its own military power and being more of a superpower of its own. That's what Trump was missing when he was complaining about the US paying for too much in NATO. The US gets an awful lot of return on its investment in terms of geopolitical benefit. But that all potentially goes if the US willfully destabilises Europe.

I'm not a Russian apologist whatsoever. Not an American one either.

The rightwing factions in every important European country are gaining more traction with every election the last 20 years briany, a direct result of American foreign interference, so I'm not entirely sure what your point is at all? France is literally one election away from Le Pen governance, Italy already has one, so has Sweden. Not long before it engulfs the entire sphere. And where are we going to be then? Back to where we were 100 years ago, killing each other. That's some form of stability.

The Americans backed Ukraine when Europe were slow to act at the start of this crisis. Russias relationship had been improving pre 2014 with Europe, even Macron suggested to Putin he was leader for life if he backed down in February!! This is all Russias making and only for the US, I believe Europe would have pressured Ukraine to cede even more territory. And rinse and repeat. Its a huge benefit to Europe we are allied to the US economically and military, people seem to forget this

Are you trying to say that rightwing factions in Europe are caused by US interference? So the rise of Nigel Farage, the Brothers of Italy, Victor Orban, the AFD, the True Finns are somehow the result of American meddling?

I'd like to know what it is you're smoking.

<y money would be more on meddling from further East.

You think the Yank struck wars in Afghanistan, Iraq, the various Yank/Russian backed takeovers in Egypt, Syria, Libya et al have had no destabilizing effect towards the current climate within the continent of Europe? What the f**k have you been smoking? Mowldy mushroom Cabbage?

I'm not so sure. Most of the Russian defence lines consist of networks of trenches, defended with machine guns and artillery emplacements a little further back. Infantry on their own, or in lightly armoured APCs and technicals would suffer heavy losses without tanks. It looks like the Russians are digging tanks in because of fuel shortages, so they aren't able to advance much in the last month or so, this is the perfect opportunity to assemble large tank and infantry attacks to steamroll over the trenches. Ukraine can't settle in to a stalemate and their Javelins and NLAWs aren't going to win back territory like tanks will.

Yes, and basically wasted them. Something they might have cause to regret down the road, when they might need them for more important military targets.

When the Russians were unable to properly supply their soldiers during the summer, imagine what the winter is going to be like for them.