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Softening house market?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,200 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    It's generally other borrowing's that cause people issues not mortgage's. Take the couple above and if it's a tracker. If they bought a car and took a 20 k loan over 5 years it would cost them 3.5 in interest. Now I know you can make the point that ideally they should not need to however they would have had to be making significant overpayment's which might have caused them to get caught in a borrowing situation.

    If the had used some of the capital gauaranteed investment funds they would have hot a 1.5-2% return over the last 10 years. This would have paid the like for like interest.

    Remember they would still need a rainy day fund of 50k ideally. It's also harder to move unless you have savings. With those sort of saving a bank would finance another house for them, they could buy a site, get planning and start the building process before selling.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,310 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Another international housing market under pressure because of rising interest rates



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,079 ✭✭✭Jonnyc135


    Used live out near Dangan in West side many years ago and like yourself cycle to parkmore industrial estate. Was in the peak of my fitness then and used get there in about 25 mins. Even the early mornings when there was torrential rain, I never felt as refreshed and ready for work as one of those cycles and a hot shower in work after it. It is not a good sign when potential buyers are dropping out as this is a decent location with bus services to town and they look good family houses. I think the overall sentiment is changing and at a more rapid pace in the last few months.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 753 ✭✭✭badboyblast


    Some bad advice here, since 2008, you cannot top up a mortgage in this country.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,112 ✭✭✭wassie


    Try googling "mortgage top up ireland" - you might be surprised.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,745 ✭✭✭notAMember


    Firstly there was no advice in my post.


    Mortgage terms can be adjusted at any time.

    Scaremongers like you have people needlessly afraid of making changes to suit them as their circumstances change.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 579 ✭✭✭Q&A


    Out of curiosity do you know how the bank record your payment break on the CCR? Have you applied for any credit since then?

    There was a lot of concern during the pandemic how people who furloughed and took payment breaks would be treated. I believe in most cases it didn't effect their ability to borrow but I wouldn't say it's a rule of thumb that has always existed.

    Another lender is likely to query why you haven't made scheduled payments on an existing loan. It might have been a one off but other lenders may see it as a sign of financial pressure and steer clear.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 753 ✭✭✭badboyblast


    Your information is wrong, you cannot top up a mortgage in Ireland , end of story.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 753 ✭✭✭badboyblast


    Everything is treated as a new mortgage loan since 2008, theres no such thing as getting a new borrowing on an existing mortgage.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 753 ✭✭✭badboyblast


    I wouldn`t be taking any advice from someone who pauses their mortgage to go on a long haul holiday, this was the reason for the mess in 2008



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 579 ✭✭✭Q&A



    Well it won't strengthen your position when looking for credit I would have thought.

    It seems from the CCR's own website it might not trigger an automatic flag on your record but there is sufficient information there for others to work out the balance hasn't changed.

    Sounds to me like when times are good few will bat an eyelid but if lenders are getting worried such actions might be used against you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 578 ✭✭✭theboringfox


    You can top up a mortgage in Ireland. It is allowed. Usually relatively modest amounts for home improvements.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 412 ✭✭cal naughton


    Regarding the mortgage top up. Poster is technically correct in that you won't be able to top up on the existing account number however the bank would offer a side loan with a new credit agreement and new terms and conditions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 753 ✭✭✭badboyblast


    Try top an existing mortgage and come back to me, it wont be with the answer you have said here, i wish people would do their homework before they throw out wrong information on the internet.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 753 ✭✭✭badboyblast


    A side loan is a new loan and it will be looked at as stand alone and alot of banks will screw you on rates for anything less than 80k, standard apr rates.


    80k is approx the minimum mortgage amount you can get from an Irish bank so tbh , your existing mortgage has nothing got to do with new business except maybe your payment history.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 412 ✭✭cal naughton


    Wrong yet again. Just looked at aib.ie. minimum top up is 10k. Same security on the house. New account number at whatever the mortgage rate is you select. You are confusing it with a personal loan. Have a look at the website yourself



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 753 ✭✭✭badboyblast


    Again , when was the previous time?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,200 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    You can I have a friend who bought an apartment 7-8 years back. He told the bank the top up was for an extension to his house. He borrowed about 50k. The apartment is rented for over 1k/ month.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 767 ✭✭✭dontmindme


    All properties->03/10/22 to 09/10/22

    All Dublin

    64 Price changes

    58 Decreases

    6 Increases


    Rest of Ireland

    185 Price changes

    148 Decreases

    37 Increases



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,745 ✭✭✭notAMember



    Again, no advice given, and you've still got your info wrong. I've had at least 8 mortgages with all the main lenders. Moving houses, buying, selling etc. 2 are currently being down paid. 4 years, and 7 years remaining in the current ones. I could get another small one at some point if/when I pay those off f it suits us. Or I could extend them out and just stretch the payments. I'd much prefer a mortgage than a personal loan. The rate is a fraction of the cost.

    More scaremongering. Adults can make their own risk assessment. If I think a mortgage break on a tracker mortgage with less than 10 years remaining in it allows me more flexibility to enjoy a family holiday while my kids are still young enough to be willing to go on holiday with me, and the bank have the tools for me to do it, I'll make my own decision thank you very much. The financial tools are there. I control them, not the other way around.

    We also took a mortgage break during maternity leaves. Eh gads the horror. Chain us up.

    How much experience do you have exactly? Opened one mortgage, last year at a crappy rate, and crumple at the thought of it changing? Wouldn't dream of a holiday and sticking to the own brand coffee granules for the rest of the term that you never ever adjust to make rate savings on. Or never ever had one, probably more likely.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,745 ✭✭✭notAMember


    A payment break is not missing a scheduled payment. It is changing the schedule.

    No impact on credit.


    It has to be done up front, fill out the forms, phone the bank etc. I did it 4 months in advance, gave them a call in January and changed the payment over the summer. This isn't willy-nilly skipping payments and retrospectively telling them AFTERWARDS it was a break. That would definitely get your credit in a mess!

    People sometimes make that payment schedule differently to the usual 12 payments. For example, I know people who are paid 13 times a year, every 4 weeks. Or consultants / contractors / sub teachers who take the summer off, and never have a summer payment. They compress the repayments in 9 months. You aren't paying less in total, it's changing the schedule.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,003 ✭✭✭handlemaster




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5 depowpow


    Long time lurker on this thread. Bought a house 2 years ago in Dublin at max/inflated price. Fail to see how house prices dont correct a lot in the face of ECB rate hikes. Yes there are supply issues but cost of credit/cost of living will create more downward pressure than the upward pressure of supply/cost of building by quite a bit. Many variables in play but no way it's possible prices keep rising.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 736 ✭✭✭bamayang


    Interesting to have actual data (assuming it’s accurate). Not hard to gauge the market feeling from that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,600 ✭✭✭fliball123


    Yes there is I did it just this year on a tracker mortgage



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,820 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    does anyone have this for the same period last year? one would assume most changes are drops, in any market.



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    Actually hadn't thought about this but yeah, surely its highly unlikely that an EA goes onto Daft to increase an asking price? It would normally be a case of going on to decrease it in the event of there being not much interest



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 132 ✭✭AySeeDoubleYeh


    On the flipside, it also doesn't account for the amount of ads that are removed, only to be re-added with lower prices. This happens all the time, but isn't reflected in myhome's data.

    Clearly it's not an exact science - however you slice it - but the percentage of adjustments that are reductions has been trending upwards for much of the year IIRC



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,276 ✭✭✭mel123


    There is a house on myhome that is dropping all the time, but it is not showing up that its dropping (not sure how they can get around it on myhome) but for sure its going down almost weekly 5k since i started keeping an eye on it. Just worth noting that drops might not be showing up how you would expect.



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