BoJo banished - Liz Truss down. Is Rishi next for the toaster? **threadbans in OP**

Was Corbyn a "disaster" though? Or was it down to him being portrayed as that? Was it not more of a case that the party was a disaster, due to the infighting and backstabbing that I mentioned earlier? Remember that party membership soared under Corbyn and the energy of that made Labour look far better than it had for over a decade. Perhaps Corbyn should have handled his leadership responsibilities like Bojo or Keir, in that he might have been better off ejecting the people who had it in for him instead of trying to deal with them.

In any case none of that energy is there now and Starmer's crowd are merely a "Blairite tribute act", as one party official put it. Bereft of any real ideas, they've been more interested in purging the party of its left wing than building a cohesive plan to tackle the problems of British society that the average Joe faces. They're revelling in the topsy turvy catastrophe that is the Conservative party right now and will reap the temporary rewards to come. But as a party, they leave an awful lot to be desired themselves.

Labour shouldn't be defined by the EU.

Nobody cares what you think.

As an old school left winger, I would be surprised if Jeremy Corbyn was anything but a "Eurosceptic", seeing that the EU is essentially a neo-liberal organisation for the most part and closer to the right than he would like. But being sceptical and critical of the EU is not the same as being anti-EU, not by a long shot, and Corbyn supported the principle of the EU trade bloc even if he cast eyes over how the EU conducted its business. Plus, when the Tories bashed Brexit through, both parties were sent into turmoil over how to respond. They still are. It's obvious that such turmoil would result in nobody being sure footed about how to proceed and Corbyn was no different. But the fact of the matter is that in 2016, Brexit was chosen and there was nothing that either he or the Labour party could have done about it. Corbyn "accepted" the fact that Brexit was a reality, but it's not like he would have put the actual referendum to the British in the first place and he originally did add some element of support for a second ballot, which was never really going to happen in any case. In addition, Corbyn had to also think of the large numbers of Labour supporters who were lulled by the lies of the pro-Brexit element too. It's easy to forget, but there were plenty of those supporters who believed, rightly or wrongly, that Brexit was a good idea at the time.

As I said, I would be unsure as to his suitability as an actual Prime Minister, but Jeremy Corbyn is a decent man with a sense of fair view for British society. Something that is sorely lacking in the majority of politicians, not only in Britain. Unfortunately he is a dying breed which is something every serious political observer should be unhappy about. Because what is replacing him is very poor indeed.

Agree completely that Starmer's Labour is a "husk". A "husk" that is only enjoying some limelight because the other option is in complete meltdown. But if the Tories had anyone in their ranks who's qualification was something other than Brexiteer, a Rory Stewart perhaps, then Britain would be looking at a Conservative government for the next 10 years.

Even if Corbyn done everything right as leader he had too much of a past and was a constant breaker of the Labour whip so would never have been able to properly wield it himself.

I was a Labour member and Corbyn voter but I knew deep down he could never win I just really hoped he could put ideas back on the table that had been made taboo.

I thought we could come out the other side with a Labour somewhere between the electable Blair Labour and a socialist Labour.

My only hope is Starmer softens and goes a bit more left once he is in. I don't think he is as right as Blair and I certainly think he would be very against any kind of hurtful cuts we are just not seeing it because he is dead set on the idea that you have to play up to the tabloid sht to get elected.