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Unexpected €5000 expense. What would you do?

  • 05-10-2022 11:21pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,597 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    If your household, or you personally had an unexpected and unavoidable €5000 payment to make, would you be able to pay it?

    How much hardship would it cause?

    Would it affect your medium or long term plans?

    €5000 is roughly (a bit less than) the take home pay of a supposedly typical dual income household on about 40k a year each. If you're a single person or single income household reduce the Amt by half



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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    If my fridge went I would struggle to get a new one anytime soon. My oven has already stopped working. But have a Microwave oven with convection oven in it and an air fryer also a hob so am ok for the foreseeable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,597 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    I know that me 10 years ago, 5000k unexpected would have been an absolute disaster, but luckily I could manage that now as a once off emergency payment but it would mean we have to sacrifice things like holidays or home improvements to pay for it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,860 ✭✭✭Pissy Missy


    It depends, if i had to pay it in full right now I'd be fukd, if i could pay it in tiny installments then we could make it work. I'm in the worst financial place of my life right now so would much rather receive the 5k than have to pay it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,597 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Our fridge went this year, it's an absolute dose, the house we're living in came with all the appliances included but they're all the same age so all reached that planned obsolescence trigger at about the same time. we had to replace the fridge, washing machine, heating system and oven all in the same 12 months. Not fun but we just about managed, and were able to spend a bit extra to buy energy efficient appliances that should cost less to run.

    To facilitate this we put one of our 2 cars off the road and were helped by being able to both work remotely



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    Nice idea thinking outside the box on the old cars there hats off. Yeah the oven went due to that think it has a known fault as it went before the main heating element they came out and fixed it free of charge. May chance me arm again.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,597 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    I'm sorry to hear that. I've been there and it's awful.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,957 ✭✭✭kirk.


    15- 20 yrs or so seems to be when everything starts to give trouble in a house



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,860 ✭✭✭Pissy Missy


    Thanks, sorry to hear you've been there too, but glad things are better for you now. I know things will get better for me, just need time, patience, and hope



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    True but the whole throw away thing has come in and repairs can be eye wateringly expensive. You remember getting the TV repaired for the 3rd time and alike never hear of that now same with everything else.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 924 ✭✭✭thegame983


    I'd leave the country



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,597 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Best of luck with that.

    Manufacturers need to be forced to take ownership of the servicing requirements of their appliances.

    There's a perverse incentive in selling an appliance that could last 40 years with a regular 5 year mini service, or 10 years with no maintenance at all, and then not telling the consumer how to service the appliance



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,957 ✭✭✭kirk.


    In general I was referring to and I see the window seals and patio door are giving trouble in mine and they are repairable so I hear

    Taps and plumbing stuff giving trouble needing replacing

    Fan ovens can be kept going if you can DIY

    Ya other stuff TVs and fridges , back in the day (pre 80s ?) the TVs were all brought in for repair



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,597 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Even though things are ok right now it's precarious as ****. Not just for me, but for lots of people clinging on.

    I could very well turn up at work tomorrow and be told the company is sold and you're all being made redundant.

    Or any number of other things could happen

    I really hope you can get through this time.

    Solidarity will see us through. I got through my tough times with state support. Without FIS I would have been homeless because my employer didn't pay me enough to support a small family



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,597 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Over a 5000 euro debt?

    I'd probably have done the same if I was able to relocate that easily



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,597 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    For small high end electronics, repairs are impractical but for bigger appliances with mechanical pumps and seals and all that, I've been able to DiY a lot of repairs over the years. I've repaired dishwasher pumps, hoses, rubber seals, vacuum cleaner motors, repaired game consoles, disk drives, mobile phones etc


    But the problem is, now the manufacturerers sometimes prevent you from accessing the broken parts, or they deliberately prevent swapping broken parts for spares.

    Or if it's electronic the motherboard is unrepairable 99% of the time (unless you get CSI NASA involved)



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    Oh ofc I would have a go at anything Electronic. But they seem to be getting sneaky and either putting fuses in the mid layer of the boards or another component that fails easily. Take an lcd tv going black most lightly the invertor but try getting that €5 euro part. I had a dishwasher go tracked it down to the pump had a vacuum seal on it partner would not let me fix it. The biggest issue if for people not so handy the €100 odd callout fee to tell you it can be fixed or not.

    I could probably do the oven myself saw the guy do it but it's again getting the part. Was 4 screws on a shroud then 2 to hold the element in with a female connector. This is the kind of stuff that is easy wins if you want to get serous about carbon don't want to drag this thread off. It should be mandatory for anything to be repairable. Stuff is moving so fast now there is no actual reason to upgrade. I have had the same smartphone for 5 years. Upgraded the pc 2 years ago still has about 5 years of life left in it if I want to game at the top end.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,190 ✭✭✭✭Pherekydes


    They'd just have to break something. 😳



  • Registered Users Posts: 638 ✭✭✭gary550


    I try to keep at least €10k in an account aside at all times separate from my own day to day personal or business finances. I don't hold any personal debt at the minute which also greatly helps with this.

    Ain't no rescue boat coming if the **** hit the fan in my life or business, I've nobody I could confidently call on to help other than a bank and they don't want to give you anything if you've no money or have a dint in cashflow.

    I've the absolute fear in me from the time I hadn't a bean and was trying make things happen, a pair of shoes would of put me to the edge.

    I feel for people with tight finances in the coming winter, life is going to be exponentially harder for many people through no fault of their own.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,597 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    I completely agree with you. Manufacturers need to be regulated to make them unable to prevent their products from being repaired.

    I think the simplest way to do this is to enforce minimum manufacturers guarantees on goods

    Throway appliances should be almost illegal

    Throwable electronics should require existing fit for purpose laws to be better enforced



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    Oh I agree and if Apple for example wont comply so be it most will. I know there is tooling involved in some places but. Modular technology should be worked on and worked on hard and expected. The golden age of throw away tech should be put in the bin. Screen on the phone goes you should be able to pickup a replacement and plug it in with little tech knowledge. Ofc I would suggest repair centers too for more complex issues the modular screen may not have failed entirely. And all tech returned to these centers for recycling or refurbishment. This is my number 1 solution in the mid term for co2 again not to drag this off.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,966 ✭✭✭Andrea B.


    Dog chewed cord of clothes Iron.

    Surprised look of appliance shop staff for trying to buy braided flex to repair.

    Resorted to Amazon for flex.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,274 ✭✭✭EOQRTL


    Would have been able to deal with it a couple of years ago but not a chance now with the price of everything gone bananas. Loan shark now if it's unavoidable everything else maxed out including credit union just to keep head above water. 3 months behind on the mortgage so paying that is the priority.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,560 ✭✭✭Squeeonline


    I could pay it from our savings account but not without some anguish about the months it would take to restore.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,633 ✭✭✭prunudo


    As much as I hate Amazon and the throwaway culture that it has spawned, for times like you describe it is ideal. It picks up the slack for less common items that would in the past have been possible to buy somewhere in most medium sized towns.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    It would cause me no hardship, have zero affect on my plans, and would be a negligible cost for me to absorb. Ten years ago it would have been an absolute nightmare for me though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,916 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Just pay your drug debts on time OP. Easier.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,223 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    Same here. €5000 wouldn't be a problem at all. Twenty years ago it would have been possible but we'd have to think about it. Now it wouldn't need a second thought.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,347 ✭✭✭Padre_Pio




  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 10,419 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jim2007


    Ya, bad news on that… if you can’t afford the 5k, you can’t afford to leave either…



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,885 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    They exist, but you pay extra for it, Miele have extended support and pretty much bullet proof but at twice the price of others (for example). In a lot of appliances and devices, buying the "professional" range can save money in the long term, however, you have to be happy with the feature range on offer as the one thing they can't make up for is the rapid progress on the silicon chips they use, as something ages out, the limitations of its "smart" features become more and more apparent (acknowledging that most people don't use these anyway and just like an on/off button).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,115 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    How many households are pulling in 80k? Not many I'd wager. Nothing typical about it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,785 ✭✭✭mohawk


    For all the talk of society becoming more green there is very little talk of making corporations taking any hit to their profits to protect resources and the environment. Replacing an appliance shouldn’t be more expensive then repairing it. Across all industries quality has been sacrificed to cut costs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,217 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    80k isnt even particularly high for a household income these days. The median wage is over 40k so if you have two people on average incomes they would have 80k+.

    To answer the OP question, Id be fine once but then would worry a little as the savings account would be gone. Normally I'd have a lot more in the savings but I just spent 25k on a solar PV array and large domestic battery.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,115 ✭✭✭timmyntc




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,773 ✭✭✭Scotty #


    Today, with both of us with good incomes and the kids grown up, I could pay it this morning and it would only be a very small dent in savings. 10 years ago we hadn't a washer, I'd have had to ask my folks for it and pay them back on the drip.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 69 ✭✭CaboRoig


    I've about half of it in NIS savings. Could probably top up CU loan for the other half but honestly it would leave me pretty much penniless.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,464 ✭✭✭RedXIV


    Been scraping money together for a house deposit for the last few years so I could take a 5k hit if I had to but it would set us back a bit on the house purchase journey.

    I've also been at the point where I'm barely holding my head over water so I'm very keen on getting an emergency fund in place now that the deposit has finally been gathered.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,447 ✭✭✭BrianD3


    As per the below link, in 2020 93.4% of rented households had savings but the median for the 93.4% was only 3200 euro. Median financial wealth (including pensions, shares etc.) for rented households was 3700 euro.

    98% of owner occupied households had savings and the median savings for the 98% was 12500 euro with median financial assets of 20500 euro.

    Even considering the fact that some people will understate their means in a household finance survey, that's likely a lot of people in a precarious position if they suddenly need 5k.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,773 ✭✭✭Scotty #


    It's not necessarily about income. I know people in 90k+ who haven't a bean because they're up to their eyes in debt. Likewise, there's people in €28k a year who are great with money and would have good savings built up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,462 ✭✭✭✭mickdw


    As a self employed person it seems very odd to me how little savings people have in general.

    I'm making average money but I need to keep alot of savings as you never really know what's around the corner.... A client doesn't pay, the economy tanks etc. You really need a couple of years wages in savings to be half secure. A 5000 unexpected bill is a kick in the teeth but it can be paid.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,284 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    I have a rainy day fund of about that to cover anything like that. Cars can be notoriously expensive if major things go wrong.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,217 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    That's from 2016. Still interesting, but I thought more recent data from CSO had the average/median wage at 43k, not household income



  • Posts: 2,078 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I've just had an unexpected medical expense that will work out about €10k after insurance but €13k before insurance which has to be paid upfront (surgery for one of my kids in London not done here). Insurance giving €3k for surgery under anesthesia and a night in ICU. No coverage for staying in London etc. Absolutely pathetic. So much for health insurance - realistically it's making very little difference to the total cost. Have some savings after many years of struggling to clear debt but now have had to call on the Credit Union again. Be paying it back for years and probably means the same kid won't be able to go to college or will need to contribute herself if she does as we don't qualify for a grant.

    Edit - I could have paid an unexpected €5k bill but €13k - no.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,457 ✭✭✭Tork


    These days, it'd come out of savings but it's still a lot of money in my world. My mind would be whirring, trying to work out how to save another €5,000 ASAP. I still remember the days when payday couldn't come quickly enough and when a bill like that would have been a nightmare come true. Even the thoughts of it now gives me the shivers. As to what I'd have done, I'd have tried to get a loan. Failing that, I'd have turned to my parents as a last resort. I've no doubt they'd have helped me out without being asked twice but I'd be mortified.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,966 ✭✭✭Andrea B.


    I actually do keep old flexes and plugtops, but didn't have a braided one😐.

    We are a wasteful bunch.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,274 ✭✭✭EOQRTL


    Cutting costs is only part of it. If say a company that produces fridges makes a unit that last's 25 years a customer will make a purchase maybe 3 times in a lifetime. Now make that same fridge but with a life expectancy of 10 years and all of a sudden it's not too hard to see why items are made to not last as long.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,347 ✭✭✭Padre_Pio


    I've been saving for a house for the past few years, so 5k would be a hit, but not a big one.

    I'm fortunate that my rent is quite low, work mainly from home, and split bills with my housemates so the cost of living crisis hasn't hit us as much as others.

    People don't want to own a fridge for 25 years anymore. You name it, electronics, cars, appliances are all changed regularly. Why make a 25-year fridge when people change their kitchen ever 10-15 years anyways? Who buys a second hand 10 year old fridge?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,115 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    Yes I cant find any more detailed info on household gross incomes aside from the last census, hopefully soon the new census results will be out and give us a better picture.

    The big thing to remember though is that many households have 1 parent working, or none working, pensioners, dolers, and everything in between. So not nearly as simple as looking as median wages and doubling up from there.

    CSO do a stat of household gross discretionary income (post taxes) but Im not sure if it includes rent/mortgages or not. Would be good to get a stat of household net incomes less expenses (childcare/rent/mortgage/bills etc), or maybe household savings would be an even better stat?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,602 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    Expected lifetime for fixtures is about 10 years. Some will last longer. anytime after that they will have things fail. You can get years out of something that half works but when the critical part goes its dead.

    There's a pretty logical reason for that.

    A TV or any appliance used to be very expensive, relatively speaking. They also had consumable parts. The first colour TVs were ~£500-1000 in the 60s. That's maybe £5,000-10,000 in todays money. For a 24" screen that burned through vacuum tubes pretty quickly, you had to service it and replace parts. The labour was a fraction of the cost of the TV.

    Today's technology does not have consumables. A 24" screen today is about 100 quid. The labour to repair the TV, would be worth more than the TV. It's not that they are making TVs badly these days, its that they are so much better at making them.



  • Registered Users Posts: 713 ✭✭✭LeeroyJ.


    Just been dealing with that exact issue, neighbours builders have been damaging all sorts of things around my house that needed urgent repair (3700 euro). Have had to dip deep into savings and hope to recover it from their or my insurance, but for now it's out of pocket and a huge hit to my finances.



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