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F1 2022 thread - see post 1 for rules

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,343 ✭✭✭thefa


    Glad you said it because I was starting to think I had imagined that team radio! Russell is happy to bide his time and play the team game when it suits.

    Would love to know what his race pace is like versus Verstappen on a level playing field. When Hamilton was really on form mid-season, he tended to beat Russell which makes me think there’s a way to go yet. Could see him matching LeClerc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,669 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    Main reason why I refer to Russell as No.1 is because of his results. He has made the right calls in races and been super consistent throughout the season, especially at the start of it. It is why he has had the points over Ham since race 2.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,635 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    That's a difficult argument to make. He came out on slicks 14 seconds behind Magnussen. After 6 laps he was 54 seconds behind Magnussen. They could have pitted him when they saw he was nearly 10 seconds a lap slower than the car in 17th place. But instead, they left him out on the wrong tyre purely to see when was the right time to pit their primary driver. Can you honestly say they would have done the same id the roles were reversed? Honestly?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,635 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    That's being a good secondary driver in the team. He knows his role and his position within the team. There's no way they expect Hamilton to make that decision and no way they leave him out, losing such huge time for an entire stint.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,790 ✭✭✭✭Burkie1203


    Anyone know what time the FIA are making the cost cap announcement at?

    Twitter is already unbearable



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,873 ✭✭✭McFly85


    Was wondering myself, none of the sites I have checked have given a time though.

    And F1 Twitter should be ignored at the best of times! You already know people will be screaming that it’s a fix unless Verstappen is stripped of last years title and banned from F1 entirely.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,343 ✭✭✭thefa


    Russell wasn’t made stay out on the dry tyres for the team. Using Singapore to prove your point is a reach given the circumstances. Would need more closer racing between the two to try to prove it either way or even make the point of #1 & #2 relevant.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,635 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    I don't suppose the team made him do anything. He knows what's expected of him because of his position in the team.

    Do you think the team watched him lose 40seconds to magn in 6 laps and just left it up to the driver's discretion to pit or not?

    How do you explain him staying on the wrong tyre for the stint, losing so much time?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,168 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    So Japan up next. Early morning races here. So who is going to watch it live at 5 or 6am?

    I for one am not. I will be more than happy to watch the highlights of it on C4 around midday.

    I might watch the US race live do and maybe the Brazillian one and Mexico too.

    Don't really care if I see Abu Dhabi live or not its never a great race anyway.

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,873 ✭✭✭McFly85


    The missus thinks I’m mental, but yeah I probably will get up for it! I’d like to see it live if the championship is to be decided. It helps that I have a 5am start in work the next day so getting up early on Sunday might force me to bed early too🤣



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,047 ✭✭✭✭flazio


    From what I've observed over the whole season so far, Mercedes-Benz's strategy preference goes to.... Mercedes-Benz. Leaving everything Toto says down those ugly red and blue microphones aside, I don't see any consistent repeated evidence of Merc throwing one driver under the bus to the direct benefit of the other. While 3rd isn't what we're used to seeing from them the fact that they are comfortably ahead of McLaren and Alpine through consistency in their strategy means they avoided having a much worse season. Same thing with Ferrari last season, look at the second half of the 2021 season the two Ferraris were consistent in following each other, bringing home double points and managed to finish 3rd ahead of both McLaren and Alpine despite not having won a race while those 2 had one win each.

    Mercedes-Benz got their heads down and made the most out of what was a poor car by their standards. Without having to elevate one car over the other.

    This too shall pass.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,635 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    I'll head over to a mate's house and watch it as-live with the lads at 1 or 2.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,500 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    My small fella usually wakes between 5 and 6am, so will likely get to watch it live. Although knowing my luck it'll be the one morning he decides to sleep-in.

    What time are the Channel 4 highlights on at if I miss race live?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,426 ✭✭✭Hijpo


    I'll record it but with the intent of watching it live. if my brain says no when the alarm goes off ill watch the recording as early as possible



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,168 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    10:50am on Saturday for the Qualifying and 12:30pm on Sunday for the race.

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,095 ✭✭✭Captain_Crash


    Don’t know how genuine it is but this is doing the rounds on twitter

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,047 ✭✭✭✭flazio


    This too shall pass.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,790 ✭✭✭✭Burkie1203




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,669 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    Russell asked to stay out on the slicks for the gamble. They didn’t leave him out, he stayed out.

    Hamilton could well have refused to do what Russell did, drivers can make said call as well. He has gone against the team before, and they have also gone against his requests as well in the past.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,669 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    Jesus, that’s is a very weak argument right there, folks.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,635 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    You think he was toddling around nearly 10 seconds a lap off the pace, and everyone just thought it was fine strategy. He thought it was fine anf the team thought it was fine.

    What do you think was the strategy? I've said what I think it was (seeing when was the right time for Hamilton switch to slicks). What do you think the strategy was?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,669 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    It was a gamble, he was far back and stuck in traffic at a track where is incredibly hard to overtake without a big delta. The whole weekend was shot for him after qualy, so again, it was a gamble. In this case for him, even though he was losing time, the time was slowly coming to him, so he was getting pace on the tires with each lap.

    Had he pitted, his inters would have grained and overheated, and eventually he would have had to pit again anyway for slicks.

    So you see, the gamble just didn’t pay off. He wasn’t a test dummy for Hamilton, who at this stage was having his own issues with his race.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 485 ✭✭guyfo


    Delayed till monday.

    You got to wonder what sort if sad idiot spends their time making fake fia documents like that.... weird world.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,669 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    A post on Reddit said that Am went over by $4,000,000 and RB went over by $100,000.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,343 ✭✭✭thefa


    The thought process has already been covered. Reality often isn’t half as exciting as a good conspiracy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,669 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    As expected, we will see more Honda branding on the cars from this weekend.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,017 ✭✭✭✭PsychoPete


    Are RB or Alpha Tauri doing a special livery for the Japan GP ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,669 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    I think both will feature more Honda badging, that is all I have heard.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,635 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    So thy watched him lose 8 seconds a lap to magnussen and said "hard to know how this gamble is going, but if we stick with it long enough, he might start making some of the time back".

    I think you know too much about F1 to think that's credible.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,669 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    If he pitted again for new inters, he would lose time pitting and again with overheating tires. So staying on on the dry was his only option really in the hope that a SC would help him.

    Even Merc themselves said it was a gamble

    “George's race was frustrating,” said Mercedes trackside engineering chief Andrew Shovlin. “There were points where it looked like he was going to be able to make good progress, but he was also finding it tough to get through traffic. The switch to medium was a gamble, he did a great job to keep it on the track but ultimately, we got it wrong and called it way too early.


    “However, he did have good pace in the tricky conditions, and it looked like we would have at least got back into the points as [late in the race] he was pulling the cars ahead by many seconds a lap. Unfortunately, that hope was short-lived when he had contact with Mick [Schumacher] that caused a puncture.”

    Him going onto slicks was of benefit to ALL the other teams, so you saying it was for Hamilton makes zero sense when all the other teams would see what his times were. Which were evolving lap by lap, so again, leaving him out was the only real option.

    Mercedes started him from the pit lane after fitting a new power unit, given that he’d qualified only 11th. He made relatively modest progress and the only chance to perhaps vault many places might have been to gamble early on the change to slicks, hoping that the track was ready when a Virtual Safety Car (for Fernando Alonso’s broken-down Alpine) allowed him a saving of 10s to the field over a normal pit stop. This was Lap 21.


    That 10s saving from stopping when the rest of the field was restricted to a 40% reduction in speed was quickly gobbled up by how gripless the cold slick medium compound tyres proved to be on a track which was taking so long to dry thanks to the humidity and absence of sunlight.

    But the significant thing was that Russell’s sector times allowed everyone else to monitor exactly when the time for slicks would be. “I think if George wasn't out there, there will be a lot more people pitting earlier,” Perez later observed.


    Ten laps after his stop Russell was still 5s off the pace of the leaders. The way that deficit was split between the three sectors gave a stark picture of where the problem lay.


    In sector 1 on the 32nd lap he was 0.7s slower than Perez. In the middle sector he was actually 0.1s quicker. But in the tight twists of the final sector where most of the water remained, he was 1.4s slower. One lap later, however, he set the fastest lap of the race so far. That was the signal: the track was finally ready for slicks.


    Without Russell out there as the guinea pig, there would surely have been a far greater strategic variation between the teams.

    It was a gamble that just didn't pay off as they hoped.



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