General Premier League Thread 2022-23 - mod note in OP 12/03/23

~Rebel~ · 04-10-2022 01:04PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119699441#Comment_119699441

How are you making this a Liverpool thing?! You're speaking to one Liverpool fan who has never ever done what you're suggesting (if anything I was arguing that Rafa deserved a bit more support - he let me down there), and one non-Liverpool fan...

You made a baseless claim that Lampard deserves credit for that Champions League winning team, which some people entirely disagree with. I've made specific points, and invited you to do the same to back up your claim, but you've not bothered, instead treating it like some wind up or something. Fact is, I think a majority of people think he's been an average manager, and not much else, with one disastrous half season once the pressure came on at Chelsea.

thebaz · 04-10-2022 01:12PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119699527#Comment_119699527

fair eneogh - lets draw the line - lets see by Feb where Frank is at . as I said I actually am on the fence .

BobDole22 · 04-10-2022 02:45PM

https://twitter.com/TheAthleticUK/status/1577287035345199104?t=ViZ02lgACae8b2PKmqgh8g&s=19

Very interesting.

El Gato De Negocios · 04-10-2022 03:33PM

Jesus I'd rather keep the effin Glazers than take blood money from them. Seems very unlikely considering they own Newcastle already, id assume monopoly / competition laws would prohibit them from investing in two clubs in the same league.

Fromvert · 04-10-2022 03:38PM

Can't believe it would be United at that valuation, values them at 2.3bn which seems low in comparison to what sports clubs/franchises go for.

Fitz* · 04-10-2022 03:42PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119700419#Comment_119700419

Also, you would expect the 'moral compass' of a club like Man United would reject it, regardless of the Glazers or not.

They are a club that command a lot of respect worldwide, and have a brand image to live up to.

~Rebel~ · 04-10-2022 03:43PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119700419#Comment_119700419

The article says it was before they bought Newcastle.

Which also explains the valuation, as the Chelsea sale will have increased that number since 2019 when this interest was there.

BobDole22 · 04-10-2022 03:51PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119700458#Comment_119700458

That gave me a good laugh. Moral compass in football deary me. The Glazers would take the Saudi money in a heartbeat and Old Trafford would be full every week with the Saudis in charge.

BobDole22 · 04-10-2022 03:52PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119700466#Comment_119700466

Yeah you have to assume given that Chelsea went for 3.5 Billion Man Utd would be 5Billion + although maybe the recent lack of success and poor financial returns have knocked the price back a bit.

thebaz · 04-10-2022 04:57PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119699203#Comment_119699203

Think Benitez might work at Forest - so many new players, he's been ther before. I like Cooper but seams out of his depth already.

~Rebel~ · 04-10-2022 06:08PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119700780#Comment_119700780

Such a tough gig though, basically losing most of his players from last year, and having to try to knit together an entire new team in next to no time. The job will be easier for the next person even just by dint of them having worked together for 2 months now, and they'll have at least a month without pressure to bed in. Really, they should've been expecting to go back down this year, and just give Cooper a pass since he's one of the best up and coming managers out there.

Fitz* · 04-10-2022 07:13PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119700507#Comment_119700507

The Glazers and the club are 2 different entities though.

I could be wrong of course, and the club with all their directors who have previous connections to the club like Ferguson etc agree to the deal. They will lose an awful lot of respect if they do IMO.

I would imagine that the likes of Ferguson, Robson, Irwin, Charlton, Gill etc who are still in and around the club all have a bit of know-how and a word in the ear. When the likes of Rio and Evra can dictate transfers, then the club must be listening to them. Those 2 might be inclined to lean towards the Saudis tho.

thebaz · 04-10-2022 08:18PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119701119#Comment_119701119

With the amount of money spent , dont think the owner is expecting to go down, think Benitez might be a better fit , with all the added pressure.

and BTW I'm up for liverpool tonight

theoneeyedman · 05-10-2022 09:55AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119701119#Comment_119701119

I'm not arguing with you here, but how long should all that actually take?

I'm not talking about building a championship winning team or anything, but a functional side capable of operating competently at the bottom half of the EPL.

These are all supposed to be top professional players, being mentored by the top coaches in the world, in terms of fitness, analysis, performance, stats, conditioning etc....

It's not like they are taking in lads off the street. There should be a decent level of performance inherent in this group, and it should be showing by now.

BobDole22 · 05-10-2022 10:50AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119701119#Comment_119701119

Once they made that decision to spend all that money Cooper would have known the score getting humped 4 nil off bottom of the league Leicester and even worse losing 3-2 at home to Bournemouth having been 2 up are unforgiveable results. They've had a pretty decent run of games as well only top team they've played is City.

IncognitoMan · 05-10-2022 12:28PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119700507#Comment_119700507

Not every club wants / needs to be a sports washing exercise to be successful.

I don't think the whole Utd fan base would be against the Saudi but I would be 100% confident there would be a LOT more opposition to it at Man Utd than City or Newcastle.

I think the fact the Glazers were trying to sell off shares for 700m maybe points to them not being able to work the numbers to get the stadium upgraded etc... They saw this as their chance to get it upgraded without them actually putting anything in or taking any risk themselves which would line up with every decision they have ever made around Utd.

They can't really load much more debit onto the club without it causing major issues to the clubs ability to generate income and in turn for them to collect their dividends.

IncognitoMan · 05-10-2022 12:31PM

Other thing to note is if they valued 30% at 700m last year and now are potentially getting offers around 4-5B for a full sale then surely there will be some of them who are very very tempted to sell and cash out.

BobDole22 · 05-10-2022 01:06PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119703951#Comment_119703951

No Manchester United don't need state backing and sports washing to be successful probably one of the few clubs that don't they just need competent multi billionaire owners as opposed to the leeches they have now.

TBH I think you're way over-hyping any potential protests I doubt they'd amount to more than a hill of beans sales of Norwich scarves would go up and the few that walk away would be instantly replaced. Another issue is that anyone with the money to buy Man Utd is by definition going to be an absolute bastard due to accumulating that kind of wealth in the first place.

05-10-2022 01:17PM

There would be little protests I'd imagine. Look how quick the Glazer protest died out. It'll crop up again and die out again.

You'd have lots of whatabout arguments like you see with City and Newcastle fans when the subject comes up.

The key difference is Utd aren't desperate like City and Newcastle were, and have achieved their success off their own bat. They don't need the Saudis.

breezy1985 · 05-10-2022 02:27PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119704205#Comment_119704205

United are not desperate.

Yet

BobDole22 · 05-10-2022 03:06PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119704619#Comment_119704619

Correct they haven't won a trophy since 2016 and haven't been within an asses roar of winning the league in 10 years and are getting further and further away all the time.

~Rebel~ · 05-10-2022 04:45PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119704845#Comment_119704845

I think almost anyone is within 5 years of winning a league if things go right tbh... as far away as they seem, it only takes 3 or 4 windows of getting things right to really kick things on. Sure look at Liverpool, when Rodgers was sacked, Liverpool looked miles off a league challenge, but were genuine contenders only 4 years later.

breezy1985 · 05-10-2022 05:55PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119705328#Comment_119705328

United would need to drop the Glazers now and hire a competent director.

Things won't "go right" with the current set up.

IncognitoMan · 05-10-2022 06:55PM

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IncognitoMan · 05-10-2022 07:01PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119704205#Comment_119704205

The Glazer protest hasn't totally died out though. There's protests before neary every home game but Sky don't show it.

There isn't naturally the same level as there was for the Liverpool game. It would be impossible to maintain that level every 2 weeks but it has definitely not died out. They will pick their moments throughout the season to cause the most disruption they can.

Sky will show fans leaving the stadium at half time but they won't show the protests before hand.

Sky have also been muting fan chants about the Glazers during the games. It's very noticeable for games that are on BT rather than Sky. You can hear the protests very clearly on BT.

Not sure why Sky are so against showing anything of the protests but they are.

breezy1985 · 05-10-2022 07:37PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119705879#Comment_119705879

I find Sky always have the crowd levels very low. I notice it on BT but especially on RTE where it always seems way up.

I'de say Sky showed a few protests and got bored when they realized there was no juicy "violent yob" stories to tut at.

theoneeyedman · 05-10-2022 10:01PM

Reports (Telegraph) that Hassenhutl is getting the push from Southampton soon....

Hard to know what to make of them, Southampton have veered from very good to very poor under him, very little in between.

Agent Coulson · 05-10-2022 10:18PM

Rodger’s is going to put last them all at this stage.

Fitz* · 05-10-2022 10:49PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119705879#Comment_119705879

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119706046#Comment_119706046

Sky definitely lower the crowd volume in some games, and in certain times. It's very obvious in games at Elland Road for example where you can hear the volume change live for certain chants.

There was a Liverpool - Man City game a year or two ago that sounded terrible on TV - dead as a doorknob. Lots of twitter talk about the 'Anfield myth' etc. But every player made it a point to talk about the atmosphere and I had a few friends at it who said it was the best in a long time.

yourdeadwright · 06-10-2022 10:23AM

Sky 100% turn down the games,

Watch any Liverpool home game on sky & then a few days after watch "Inside Anfield " on YouTube & you get the real feel for the atmosphere levels

General Premier League Thread 2022-23 - mod note in OP 12/03/23

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