BoJo banished - Liz Truss down. Is Rishi next for the toaster? threadbans in OP

04-10-2022 07:18PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119701310#Comment_119701310

And yet they hold a majority in parliament.

not bad for a minority persuit.

may I humbly suggest “trying harder” next time.

04-10-2022 07:18PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119701355#Comment_119701355

I've repeatedly said that what Fabricant was exposed to was dreadful. Look at the footage and ask yourself if you think that is acceptable?

Here is what Fabricant said re: receiving abuse and missiles being thrown at him and intimidation:

Earlier, it was a little intimidating for me and others when I had been directed straight into the middle of the demo.

That the crowd "shouted abuse".

One protester tried to blow a plastic horn in my ear while I was walking (Fabricant could have had ear-related disease, for all the perpetrator knew).

Moreover, he may well forgive that disgusting behaviour, but merely viewing the footage itself shows you how awful the crowd behaved, how they invaded his personal space, and you can hear quite vile personal abuse from the people in the crowd.

https://twitter.com/WeAreProtestors/status/1576908990042484737

Michael Fabricant is very dignified in his approach to this behaviour. Most people would however not be. They are a total disgrace and represent a large and growing sector of the Labour movement that's beset on a path of personal abuse, censorship, and harassment.

breezy1985 · 04-10-2022 07:18PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119701324#Comment_119701324

What a liar you are.

Timberrrrrrrr · 04-10-2022 07:20PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119701375#Comment_119701375

And again with the lies!

"Here is what Fabricant said re: receiving abuse and missiles being thrown at him and intimidation:"

Where does Fabricant say a missile was thrown at him?

For Forks Sake · 04-10-2022 07:23PM

The Red Wall is falling down.

https://twitter.com/electpoliticsuk/status/1577329658114318338?t=J4dZqvquzjEl7uYoIB0h5g&s=19

breezy1985 · 04-10-2022 07:23PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119701375#Comment_119701375

Invaded his "personal space" and "shouted at him"

Careful now Anne you are starting to sound like a snowflake.

04-10-2022 07:25PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119701396#Comment_119701396

The fact that this behaviour is being condoned proves my whole point to begin with.

Timberrrrrrrr · 04-10-2022 07:33PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119701403#Comment_119701403

People have the right to protest, you yourself are surely an advocate of free speech?

Why did you lie and say Fabricant said he had missiles thrown at him?

04-10-2022 07:33PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119701377#Comment_119701377

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119700477#Comment_119700477

Never underestimate how hard the similarly minded and simple minded will double down when things aren't going their way

Seth Brundle · 04-10-2022 07:36PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119701403#Comment_119701403

There are various videos of people leaving the conference and shouting insults at Steve Bray. Do you condemn all of those people?

ancapailldorcha · 04-10-2022 08:06PM

If the profession of factchecking ever needed vindicating...

breezy1985 · 04-10-2022 08:09PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119701558#Comment_119701558

It's why Eskimo is here having this conversation and not the politics forum.

04-10-2022 08:15PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119701571#Comment_119701571

If Conservative members harangued a Labour MP in the same way, I have no doubt what the reaction would be.

But because it's a Conservative MP that's being intimidated and abused, that principle is left to one side. Nothing morally superior about Labour whatsoever.

ancapailldorcha · 04-10-2022 08:16PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119701571#Comment_119701571

I still remember the time they were gloating about David Cameron having introduced same sex marriage into British law. Their source was a quote from Cameron downplaying his own role as it was a Liberal Democrat MP named Lynne Featherstone who did the legwork.

I don't want to descend into personal stuff but this is why I keep asking for sources. It shows conservatism for the squalid, sleazy little scam that it is.

Timberrrrrrrr · 04-10-2022 08:41PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119701604#Comment_119701604

So why did you lie about Fabricant saying missiles had been thrown at him?

Timberrrrrrrr · 04-10-2022 08:44PM

Well this could get interesting

https://twitter.com/shoshanade/status/1577344739363504138?t=d0YzjvF3CKOEI6RAA0utZQ&s=19

04-10-2022 08:54PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119701721#Comment_119701721

That doesn't seem credible in the least.

Perhaps in theory King Charles can intervene, but I'd find that intervention to be highly unlikely; perhaps something kept in the most extreme circumstances.

Timberrrrrrrr · 04-10-2022 09:00PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119701793#Comment_119701793

Why did you lie about Fabricant saying missiles had been thrown at him?

04-10-2022 09:01PM

Huge change in tone from the Telegraph this evening. Up until this point they’ve really been trying to push the positive message. If the Telegraph are throwing in the towel the conservatives really are in trouble….

04-10-2022 09:06PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119701721#Comment_119701721

I’m guessing this only if Truss can’t pass any kind of a budget but refuses to call an election and stays in situ in a Trumpian breach of procedure. It’s not going to happen. And anyway would be of secondary concern to what, at that stage, would be utter meltdown in the sterling markets and IMF intervention

04-10-2022 09:08PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119701841#Comment_119701841

The Conservatives do not stand a chance at the next election.

Had the start of Truss' term turned out differently, then perhaps things could have worked out along a different path. But they didn't.

And as bad as Labour are - with the meagre offering on show (Angela Eagle, for example) - it's inevitable they'll achieve a landslide at the next election. Now that Brexit is done and dusted, almost, it means that Labour can come in and act as fresh agents of change.

The Tories, in contrast, appear stale and out of ideas. Exhausted. Well in need of some long-term repair.

I say let that election happen as soon as possible. Why delay the inevitable?

breezy1985 · 04-10-2022 09:08PM

It's quite clear now that Andrew Marr and The Telegraph are woke far left trans Trotskyites.

Yurt2 · 04-10-2022 09:15PM

I can't think of an example of a new premiership going so sideways so quickly in a developed country (in any country frankly).

It's the own fault of the Conservative Party. From the mid 2010s onwards they allowed the plonker wing of the party to get their fangs into the movement and they haven't let go.

It's a party powered by utter guff, malignant, miserable neo-Thatcherite dogma, and dewey-eyed British nationalism yearning for an age when the country wasn't banjaxed (from the dead-hand of Thatcherism).

Everyone running around larping doing Winston Churchill or Margaret Thatcher cosplay telling the country they are a pack of indolents whilst ignoring they themselves are the historic useless sacks of sh*te.

If there is any braincells left on the government side of the house, they'll put the mangey dog out of its misery, retreat into the political wilderness for a couple of election cylces and try to figure out how not to be a collection of brain-dead misanthropic assh*les.

Truss is f*cked. Shortest serving PM ever, and by God she has earned that accolade.

04-10-2022 09:15PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119701882#Comment_119701882

Andrew Marr is actually very incisive, despite his excoriating critiques of the Conservative Party.

He is far more objective than other observers, and I routinely take an ear to his analysis of the current political climate.

Timberrrrrrrr · 04-10-2022 09:16PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119701937#Comment_119701937

Why did you lie about Fabricant saying missiles had been thrown at him?

Yurt2 · 04-10-2022 09:25PM

I think what marks out the Tory party over the past few years is how utterly child-like and gormless they have become.

From Truss, to Johnson; to Patel, Gove and Raab, Truss and more. Dimwitted and giddy adherence to sh*te policy making. Making ever thicker decisions harming millions of people and damaging the country's standing in the world - and wearing a guile-less smile while doing it.

It's not an adult movement any more. Oxbridge bully boys and girls who never grew out of their undergraduate antics, telling everyone how clever they are while driving the country into the wall.

Good riddance. Best thing about this set of circumstances is that hundreds of MPs won't have their post-politics sweetheart no-show careers sorted yet, and their names will be in the gutter so they'll have to eek out a living playing the spoons. Benefits scroungers.

04-10-2022 09:25PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119701935#Comment_119701935

Liz Truss may well become the shortest PM in UK history.

George Canning is the shortest serving Prime Minister of the UK (who was also a Tory), having served for just 119 days from 12 April 1827 until his death on 8 August 1827.

So far, Liz Truss is just 28-days into her premiership. That award may very well be bestowed upon her sooner than she realises.

Liz Truss would need to be removed before 3 January 2023 to earn the above title.

Shelga · 04-10-2022 09:32PM

Do people think they’ll actually oust Truss before Christmas? Surely that means a general election with whoever their new leader is afterwards, then?

I don’t think the country will tolerate another ridiculously protracted, self-indulgent leadership contest. If they replace Truss, they’ll have to find another way to elect a new leader. That alone would show some small glimmer of recognition that they finally understand that the country is sick to the back teeth of them.

Still though, it will go no way at all to repairing the damage. No matter what they do now, they have destroyed their reputation for competence and fiscal prudence (although why they ever seem to have had it is beyond me). If the new PM goes after only a few weeks, they’re a complete laughing stock of a party. But it was obvious to anyone with even a weak grasp on sanity that she could never win a general election, so why the membership elected her, I do not know.

Yurt2 · 04-10-2022 09:39PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119702022#Comment_119702022

She promised the card-carrying members of the Tory movement - Middle-England boomers from the Home Counties who made away like bandits during the Thatcher years and after off the backs of the working class - a magic levitating economy that will make them even wealthier via tax cuts, a no-fail asset protection racket, and a magic growing pie with no downsides to speak of.

It was a juvenile piece of political storytelling and utter fantasy, but the Middle-Englanders liked what they heard.

Not an adult political movement.

Itssoeasy · 04-10-2022 09:44PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119702022#Comment_119702022

Maybe not before Christmas but not long after if her approach to government as a whole doesn’t change. I mean she didn’t inform her own cabinet of the decisions in their mini budget and we have Nadine Dorries and penny Mordaunt openly criticising her on that approach. I mean she couldn’t even say whether she had confidence in her own chancellor, and through him under the bud once already. It’s ridiculous and the cost of borrowing went up during her local bbc interviews. That’s not good at all.

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