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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,891 ✭✭✭✭briany


    They could try running as one big group towards Kyiv in order to strangle Zelensky. Think of the rolling news coverage.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,653 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    M1s are designed for sand?

    Here's an extract from the Materiel Need statement from the origination of the M1 program in 1972.

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    Put simply, the M1 was designed to fight against the Soviets in Western Europe. Fighting against the Russians in Ukraine isn't all that removed from the concept.

    It is true that training a Western tank crew and maintenance crew to a Western level of capability is about a four-six month process... Which is fine, I suspect the Russians won't have won by then. Conducting depot level repair in Poland (and Bulgaria) is fair enough, the Ukrainian facilities were targetted by missile strikes.

    That said, if you look at those T-55s which Slovenia donated and compared them to the T-62s which the Russians have been dragging out of storage, the 55s are a better tank. They've been upgraded a lot more.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,764 ✭✭✭storker


    The Ardennes offensive was reversed because the huge Allied air force that had total air superiority was grounded for the first few days by bad weather, once the weather cleared, it was "clobberin' time." The Germans were also short of men, supplies - particularly petrol; the plan envisaged raiding American fuel dumps along the route of advance - and time because of Soviet advances in the east. None of these constraints apply to the Ukrainians, so while the attack will almost surely run out of steam at some point - unless the Russian army disintegrates completely first, which I wouldn't rule out completely, it's hard to see what the Russians are going to bounce back with.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,764 ✭✭✭storker


    If Russian doctrine in Ukraine is to avoid large numbers of casualties, it'll be the first time in Russian history that that's been the case. Generally the Russian response to a tactical problem has been to keep throwing men at it until it goes away.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,181 ✭✭✭Field east


    Re “—— calls for escalation ——“. It may not be as simple as that. Are you not aware , in Ireland, when the opposition might continually argue that gov should be spending much more than it is in some sectors/ should be paying higher amounts on something, etc . But when the opposition gets in it does not do what in was shouting about when it was in opposition and the reason is a or b or c. If on,y we had the money., etc, etc.

    so maybe those Ru saying Putin should escalate to nuclear are hoping that if he does that it will bring him down and his replacement might be a bit more pragmatic and start on the LONG ——————- —————————————————————————————————-, LONG , LONG ROAD to healing fences



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,363 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Russia would empty.

    It would be like one of those horror movies where only the old remain in the village.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,208 ✭✭✭jmreire


    If Putin decides to use those WMD , be it a nuclear strike or chemical weapons, he has been warned in no uncertain terms what the response will be and that is, he will not have any military worthy of the name. Navy and air force gone completely. as be any land based assets. His successor will want to be very stupid or crazy, to continue Putins mad vision, and invite further destruction on Russia. Plus, if it goes down to the wire like that, how would Russians themselves react? Revolt? or what?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    Don't you mean the 1.5 m that were never made... 🤔



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,185 ✭✭✭Polar101


    600000-700000 people have already fled the country since the "partial" mobilisation was called.

    Russia doesn't have modern gear for all of their current troops, any mobilised reserves will have even worse gear. Maybe they'll be able to form new units by next spring, but they won't be well equipped.

    And Ukraine have reserves too,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,572 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


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    If this is accurate, they are really closing in on Kherson city.

    Russians trying to regroup north MyLove

    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,807 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    They could try to mobilise all 140 million souls in the Russian Federation, but it would make no difference. Once Ukraine restores its territorial integrity, as it is well on the way to doing, no other force in the World will be able to take it again, not with ummatchable western weapons and technology.

    It will become the hardest frontier on the planet, eclipsing the Korean peninsula and Ukraine's permanent reserve force will be in the millions, along with a rejuvenated Air Force as well as the very best in offensive and defensive missile technology.

    Russia cannot match any of this, short of the dreaded nuclear attack and if that happens, all they do is sign their own literal and political death warrants and end the Russian Federation as an entity, forever.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,767 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    I was being facetious, I'm well aware that alcohol and extreme cold are a bad combination and other stuff like you shouldn't try to warm up someone suffereing from extreme hypothermia, such as by bringing them into a warm room.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,767 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Whirrrrr @&^%$....tk, tk, tk, clink - does not compute.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,807 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


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    Maps posted by Sky News and sourced from Rybar a Russian military and tactical thinktank. It shows progress of the Ukrainian advance over just 4 hours

    Rybar analysis

    "In the northeast of the Kherson region, the RF Armed Forces regrouped... a decision was made to withdraw the contingent of the RF Armed Forces to a new line of defence.

    "However, the absence of any retaliatory actions and counteroffensives in the near future will create a threat of a further offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine on Berislav and Novaya Kakhovka, as well as Kherson from the Posad-Pokrovsky and Snigirevsky sectors. In addition, the control of the Armed Forces of Ukraine over the coast of the Dnieper River is an immediate danger to the Russian contingent on the left bank of the Dnieper.

    "Ukrainian units, provided there is no opposition, will be able to carry out a landing operation using small boats, of which they have enough. And this is already a blow to the flank of the grouping of the RF Armed Forces in the Zaporozhye region and a direct exit to Melitopol."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,767 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Sorry, but you have that around completely backward - Russia cares nothing for its tropps, Ukraine cares a great deal for the lives of it's citizens and military personell.

    ‘If we had more vehicles like this, we would save more lives – and the lives of our soldiers are the most important thing.’ https://newscinema.in/russia-displays-destroyed-australian-bushmaster-from-war-in-ukraine



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    @Manic Moran what were the actual Total of Abrams tanks lost to enemy fire during the Iraq war, not including the 11 Lost to friendly fire and destroyed to prevent capture.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,208 ✭✭✭jmreire


    I'm pretty sure from the logistics / servicing viewpoint, SOP is that all of these tanks and artillery pieces come with full servicing instructions and spare parts. And given what we are hearing about Russian logistics, this is not their strong point.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,767 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Don't be ridiculous, even Russia doesn't have enough vodka to enable such a scenario.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,260 ✭✭✭jackboy


    So does this mean that the Russians may have to abandon Kherson without a fight?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,661 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    Ah come on now, World War Z was not a documentary film about Russia's invasion!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,245 ✭✭✭Mike3549


    From liveuamap.com

    "Explosions reported at Antonivsky bridge in Kherson"

    Are there any more bridges left? They might have to regroup to Kozatske or Nova Kakovka if that bridge still intact.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,208 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Well, one of the many reasons that Putin wants Ukraine is that it is apparently very wealthy in terms of mineral and gas / oil deposits, and not to mention its agricultural wealth. So, I guess that the Ukrainians will be more than happy to pay their way and I'd say that they will not forget their friends who supported them in their time of need. And of course, Russia will owe them (Ukraine) stratospherical amounts in reparation.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,604 CMod ✭✭✭✭Ten of Swords


    Things will get even more difficult for the Russians if Ukraine is able to take Nova Kakhovka and they will reach that city before Kherson, probably later this week at the current rate.

    That is where the northern entrance to the North Crimea Canal is, it supplies roughly 85% of Crimea's fresh water. The Ukranians had blocked the canal back in 2014 and the Russians reopened it earlier this year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,208 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Especially when the man who has his hands on the levers of power sees himself as being the Tsar of all the Russia's.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭Hobgoblin11



    "British Foreign Secretary warns Russia of the consequences of the nuclear option"

    an option?

    Dundalk, Co. Louth



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,891 ✭✭✭✭briany


    What are you talking about? Nuclear's always been an option, just a pants on head stupid one and non-viable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,887 ✭✭✭Apiarist


    They might. I will give you another perspective on the fighting in Ukraine. Remember the recent Izium offensive? Not that many Russian forces were captured. The reason is that Russian generals are saving the core of the army, its contract soldiers, leaving the mobilized Donetsk/Lugansk soldiers as the rearguard to be surrounded. Why is this sudden tenderness from Russian generals towards the contract soldiers? The generals know that the war is effectively lost and they need to have as many trump cards as possible in the coming fight for supremacy in Russia when Putin is gone. The Russian army is being made a scapegoat for the mistakes of the so called intelligence community and the internal security apparatus who spent/stole billions of $$ in bribes to Ukrainians politicians and told Putin that Ukrainians would not fight. Already, Kadyrov and Prigozhin are blaming the Russian army for failures of the "special operation". And who are these two clowns? Formally, they are almost nobodies -- one is a leader of a small republic and another one is a friend of Putin. What these two have though are private armies, Kadyrov has it's own large Chechen guard and Prigozhin has the Vagner group. They are declaring themselves as players in the future power struggle in Russia. And the Russian army may seek to disengage from the war in Ukraine (which gives it no favours, only the blame) and join the fight for power in Russia.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,909 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout




    There are a few posters who pop up here from time to time repeating pro-Kremlin propaganda who are clearly trolling. To be fair to you, I don't think that you are one of them. I can tell from some of the things that you say though that you are likely consuming more of this content then objective information. That has distorted your view of this conflict - but from your perspective, everyone else has the distorted view of it.

    • All Ukraine's successful counter-offensives have been due to the sacrifice of thousands of their troops per settlement - whereas Russia goes out of their way to conserver their own troops lives
    • Russia hasn't really taken this conflict seriously - just wait until they do though
    • Russia has an untapped reserve of 20-30 million troops that they can readily call up and send to the front if they choose to do so

    These are all common tropes that are hallmarks of Kremlin disinformation that you see all over their online information spaces (Repeated by pro-Kremlin Youtube accounts and Twitter accounts and ultimately their Ministry of Defence and TV Propagandists).

    There's a reason why the majority of the people on this thread don't believe them - and no it's not because we're all a bunch of Western cucks who are mindlessly regurgitating talking points from MSNBC and The Guardian. No, it's because they're all clearly not true. They're preposterous lies that are very easy to debunk. If you don't see why then, again, I would advise you to do an audit of what information you are consuming because it is not serving you well.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,363 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Remember when Germany were going to make Ukraine surrender so Putin would turn back on the gas?

    That was my favourite.



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