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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 862 ✭✭✭cheese sandwich




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,215 ✭✭✭✭briany


    If anything, that could describe Russia's Summer offensive. Tried to shell their way across the Donbas, only to be halted, and are now being driven back.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,699 ✭✭✭thecretinhop


    I know its optically looking bad for Russia but I think Russian doctorin is to avoid large troop casualties not so Ukraine.

    It must come to a point where all the Ukraine troop losses will hurt. They are now imo throwing everything at it before winter and new equipment and troops appear in next few weeks from Russia.

    Also the crucial area of tanks the latest shipment to ukr are t55 ww2 tanks 25 I think while t90 new tanks are coming by the train load.

    Usa abram1s are designed for sand and are much bigger heavier than Russian tanks.

    Second the training for these Western tanks is 6 months.

    Finally what I have read is some more advanced tanks they have has to be repaired in Poland..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    No .

    Russia is losing at the rate of men and equipment they simply cannot maintain in any term short -medium,

    Equipment alone has set back the Russian military decades , yesterday they apparently lost 40 + tanks in one day add that to the thousands of tanks,APCs and fighting vehicles they have already lost over the last 7 months,you have to look back to WW2 to see these kind of losses in any military forces,

    Meanwhile Ukraine has been turning people away from the army and recruitment offices because they now operate with a surplus of men ,they have more artillery,tanks, vehicles and aircraft than they did pre invasion -

    The Ukrainans are fighting and want to fight where the Russians not receiving any real training,and properly equipment before being dumped in Ukraine and told to fight



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,215 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Easy for the Russians to avoid large troop casualties by simply not regarding tens of thousands of dead troops as large casualties. It would be even easier to avoid such casualties by going back home to Russia.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Ukraine are turning people away while thousands of others are being trained by Nato forces, Russia is scraping the barrel already and we're only 7 months in and by all accounts the losses for ukraine are less than the 60,000 + Russians killed and a similar number wounded and incapacitated



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 378 ✭✭Slava_Ukraine


    "I know its optically looking bad for Russia but I think Russian doctorin is to avoid large troop casualties not so Ukraine. It must come to a point where all the Ukraine troop losses will hurt. They are now imo throwing everything at it before winter and new equipment and troops appear in next few weeks".


    You need to stop thinking.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,287 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    If I recall correctly 40 is around the number of tanks the US lost over the course of the entire Gulf war. And Russia loses that number in one day? Even if it were half that number it would be unreal and like you said more like WW2 level figures.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    At the current rate of collapse of Russian forces we will be seeing the Ukrainan flag flying over svastaspol in 2023



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,786 ✭✭✭Apiarist


    Respectfully, I do not agree. When Ukraine liberates its south areas, Crimea is effectively cut off from Russia. The Kerch bridge will be unusable, only way to re-supply Russian troops in Crimea is by the sea, with significant risks.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    In the 2nd gulf war the Americans lost 23 Abrams tanks,

    9 through friendly fire ,2 others were deliberately destroyed to prevent capture, others were damaged but eventually returned to service,

    The number lost to enemy fire was only 5/6 ,and none were lost in Afghanistan that I'm aware of ,manic Moran should be able to confirm.

    Russia has lost thousands of tanks in 7 months, staggering for any modern conflicts



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,728 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Plus they make such good video clips when they explode. Like a jack-in-the-box.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,215 ✭✭✭✭briany


    If Ukrainian military planners ascertain that it would in fact by quite an easy fight, contrary to my fear about it, then by all means they should fire away.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,699 ✭✭✭thecretinhop


    But Russia has only partly mobilised if they went full its a million and there are 20 million could be called up if needed in a total war.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,633 ✭✭✭Padre_Pio


    That won't happen unless their soldiers can fight bare handed and naked.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,287 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Yeah they're only "partly mobilised" yet they're already scraping the bottom of the barrel signing up oul lads and completely green troops. Equipment seems variable too.

    This "we could mobilise millions" stuff has been the Russian spin ever since they got their arses handed to them in the Kyiv offensive and the north and especially since they lost huge tracts of land in September. That and talk of "wonder weapons" and "holding back because we don't want to flatten the country". None of it stacks up though.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,492 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    They're relying on alcoholics and retirees to get another 300,000, the country would be anarchy if they try to conscript many more (they also need people to work as well, this conflict will be a huge brain drain).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,051 ✭✭✭jmreire


    I'm pretty sure briany, that Russia will be kept under a magnifying glass for years, generations even, yet to come. Such is the damage Putin has done to brand Russia. The ripples from Putins tenure will take a very long time to fade away.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,215 ✭✭✭✭briany


    They could try running as one big group towards Kyiv in order to strangle Zelensky. Think of the rolling news coverage.



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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,003 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    M1s are designed for sand?

    Here's an extract from the Materiel Need statement from the origination of the M1 program in 1972.

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    Put simply, the M1 was designed to fight against the Soviets in Western Europe. Fighting against the Russians in Ukraine isn't all that removed from the concept.

    It is true that training a Western tank crew and maintenance crew to a Western level of capability is about a four-six month process... Which is fine, I suspect the Russians won't have won by then. Conducting depot level repair in Poland (and Bulgaria) is fair enough, the Ukrainian facilities were targetted by missile strikes.

    That said, if you look at those T-55s which Slovenia donated and compared them to the T-62s which the Russians have been dragging out of storage, the 55s are a better tank. They've been upgraded a lot more.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,739 ✭✭✭storker


    The Ardennes offensive was reversed because the huge Allied air force that had total air superiority was grounded for the first few days by bad weather, once the weather cleared, it was "clobberin' time." The Germans were also short of men, supplies - particularly petrol; the plan envisaged raiding American fuel dumps along the route of advance - and time because of Soviet advances in the east. None of these constraints apply to the Ukrainians, so while the attack will almost surely run out of steam at some point - unless the Russian army disintegrates completely first, which I wouldn't rule out completely, it's hard to see what the Russians are going to bounce back with.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,739 ✭✭✭storker


    If Russian doctrine in Ukraine is to avoid large numbers of casualties, it'll be the first time in Russian history that that's been the case. Generally the Russian response to a tactical problem has been to keep throwing men at it until it goes away.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,435 ✭✭✭Field east


    Re “—— calls for escalation ——“. It may not be as simple as that. Are you not aware , in Ireland, when the opposition might continually argue that gov should be spending much more than it is in some sectors/ should be paying higher amounts on something, etc . But when the opposition gets in it does not do what in was shouting about when it was in opposition and the reason is a or b or c. If on,y we had the money., etc, etc.

    so maybe those Ru saying Putin should escalate to nuclear are hoping that if he does that it will bring him down and his replacement might be a bit more pragmatic and start on the LONG ——————- —————————————————————————————————-, LONG , LONG ROAD to healing fences



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,568 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Russia would empty.

    It would be like one of those horror movies where only the old remain in the village.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,051 ✭✭✭jmreire


    If Putin decides to use those WMD , be it a nuclear strike or chemical weapons, he has been warned in no uncertain terms what the response will be and that is, he will not have any military worthy of the name. Navy and air force gone completely. as be any land based assets. His successor will want to be very stupid or crazy, to continue Putins mad vision, and invite further destruction on Russia. Plus, if it goes down to the wire like that, how would Russians themselves react? Revolt? or what?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    Don't you mean the 1.5 m that were never made... 🤔



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,052 ✭✭✭Polar101


    600000-700000 people have already fled the country since the "partial" mobilisation was called.

    Russia doesn't have modern gear for all of their current troops, any mobilised reserves will have even worse gear. Maybe they'll be able to form new units by next spring, but they won't be well equipped.

    And Ukraine have reserves too,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,590 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


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    If this is accurate, they are really closing in on Kherson city.

    Russians trying to regroup north MyLove

    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,641 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    They could try to mobilise all 140 million souls in the Russian Federation, but it would make no difference. Once Ukraine restores its territorial integrity, as it is well on the way to doing, no other force in the World will be able to take it again, not with ummatchable western weapons and technology.

    It will become the hardest frontier on the planet, eclipsing the Korean peninsula and Ukraine's permanent reserve force will be in the millions, along with a rejuvenated Air Force as well as the very best in offensive and defensive missile technology.

    Russia cannot match any of this, short of the dreaded nuclear attack and if that happens, all they do is sign their own literal and political death warrants and end the Russian Federation as an entity, forever.



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