BoJo banished - Liz Truss down. Is Rishi next for the toaster? **threadbans in OP**

When the former PM takes secret meetings with, accepts larges amounts of funding from and hands out peerages to Russian Oligarchs, it's fair to say that while the UK can't exactly be considered a vassal state of Putin's Russia, elements within it's government have certainly been bought and sold.

Also, let's not forget who owns the arms manufacturers the UK government are buying all that material from: Boris's mates from college. UK support for Ukraine is less about showing support for democracy (a difficult argument to stand behind when your parliamentary "majority" is based on a gerrymandered FPTP electoral system tbh) and more about lining the pockets of Conservative party donors (much like the same governments farcically poor response to Covid).

The Conservative Party is rotten to the core. I'm sure there are many good people still supporting them out of the not unreasonable belief in small government, fiscal prudence and free market economics but they're being conned in the same way those who share their worldview were conned by Trump in the states: they've been very useful to Johnson, Mogg and their friends who've made billions betting against their own country and while they're not likely to suffer as much as the poorest elements of the UK population (a shamefully large percentage of that population), they're still voting against their own best interest.

Kwasi was fairly sweating earlier!

The only genuine thing about baker is he's a genuinely arrogant xenophobic idiot the world would be a better place without.

It's been hilarious seeing the two Tory comical Ali's trying to twist and turn in an effort to defend these bozos.

Quality stuff indeed.

Kwasi doing a U-turn isn't the problem. Johnson did plenty of them and it the public seem fine with it.

It is the arrogance at the start, and then the 'we listened' rubbish. Why did he fire the head civil servant as soon as he got the job? Because he felt he knew better, that he didn't need these people that didn't agree with him. But now suddenly he is listening.

They are not U-turning because they think it was a mistake, they are U-turning because their own MPs have made it clear that this is not going to fly. They are U-Turning because it is openly being talked about that they should be replaced.

What do you think happened between the Sunday morning interviews and the Monday press release? Nothing, the anger, the crash in the markets, the costs of borrowing. They had already been affected and nothing of note changed on Sunday. Yet Sunday morning the PM was definitive when saying the 45p rate decision was final.

The question now is where this leaves the growth plan. When they announced the cut they made it sound like this was the only way to supercharge growth, growth that was needed to make everyone better off by trickling down. Based on that argument, not going ahead with the cut means that the PM, and CX, are now accepting that worth would be supercharged so it calls into question everything else in the plan.

So it's not complaining, just to complain, IT is highlighting the massive holes in their arguments, both in terms of the original policy and now with their insistence that the U-turn is actually not really significant and everything is perfectly fine.

YEah, and when people complain about cuts to social services, they will point out that their plan of cutting the 45p rate would have solved everything but too many people failed to see the real plan and now they have no choice but to cut back.