BoJo banished - Liz Truss down. Is Rishi next for the toaster? threadbans in OP

ArmaniJeanss · 30-09-2022 12:24AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119682864#Comment_119682864

Also interesting in hindsight that her vote was about 9/10 points below expectation at 57%. Despite the whole 'those southern OAPs would never vote for a brown person' thing, 43% of members actually did vote Sunak. So Truss had much less support than expected amongst the membership and as we know also had poor support amongst MPs in the early ballots. Yet she has attempted to rule like an overwhelming victor.

Strazdas · 30-09-2022 12:48AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119682949#Comment_119682949

The party will surely have to ditch that shambolic voting system. Never again should that bunch of Tory OAP fossils be allowed elect a UK Prime Minister.

Timberrrrrrrr · 30-09-2022 07:08AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119682734#Comment_119682734

And now they are talking cuts to welfare payments to cover the cost of the 45% tax cut, I can't even imagine what they were thinking when they thought that would be a good idea.

HalloweenJack · 30-09-2022 07:19AM

It boggles the mind that, with the cost-of-living crisis being spread across the front pages and debated ad nauseam on broadcast media, they'd think that a reverse Robin Hood move is going to improve things. I know polls are bad but that would make it even worse.

They so clearly have contempt for the people at the bottom of British society. Remember this duo were two of the Britannia Unchained authors so we know exactly what they think about British workers.

30-09-2022 07:50AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119682725#Comment_119682725

The toxicity has come from the intellectual middle class left, who are still smarting that the electorate were too stupid to vote for Corbyn, so they resorted to other ways of scoring political points, like unsubstantiated claims in their Guardian Blogs, or bullshit “legal cases” through the so called good law project.

and like all political popularism, there are plenty of dim witted people to come out with comments about corruption and criminality, but when asked to pint to it all, can maybe give one tenuous example.

30-09-2022 07:54AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119683171#Comment_119683171

If that is your take away from that statement, then you have sorely missed the point.

HalloweenJack · 30-09-2022 08:02AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119683225#Comment_119683225

What is the point then?

Hoop66 · 30-09-2022 08:26AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119681516#Comment_119681516

Anyone listening to Nick Ferrari is, at best, a fool.

30-09-2022 08:32AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119683235#Comment_119683235

The actual sentence is:

“The British are among the worst idlers in the world. We work among the lowest hours, we retire early and our productivity is poor. Whereas Indian children aspire to be doctors or businessmen, the British are more interested in football and pop music."

notice the use of the word “we” so there is no finger pointing, it is a general observation about “us”. But the general statement is a wake up call. The British need to get off their arses and put more effort in, or the decline to a second rate Europe power and a third rate world one will happen.

it is a harsh statement worded to maximize impact, but the general message is very fair.

Hoop66 · 30-09-2022 08:34AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119681836#Comment_119681836

"I actually don't put it down to Truss or factors like that (though that is no doubt a factor)". You contradict yourself within the same sentence, impressive.

"Whether it was 12 years of Thatcher or 12 years of Blair" - 11 years of Thatcher, 10 of Blair. Bang on the facts here.

No wonder no one takes your posts seriously.

Hoop66 · 30-09-2022 08:35AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119682176#Comment_119682176

Because Liz truss is such a good leader?

walterking · 30-09-2022 08:37AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119683295#Comment_119683295

Having lived there for many years and managing a decent size team of people, I can say that this is very true.

They complained that Europeans were coming and taking their jobs - then when this was stopped and there were literally tens of thousands of those entry level / labouring jobs available, those same british people didn't want them as it seemed like "hard work"

sinn fein have a similar mantra here. Early retirement, lower hours, and encourage social welfare claiming over work.

Hoop66 · 30-09-2022 08:54AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119682718#Comment_119682718

But last week, even after the disastrous monetary policy had been announced you were telling us that Liz was the woman to sort it all out. So, what has changed?

Shouldn't you be telling us to stay strong and wait for the results, to stop being so short-termist?

It's almost as if you change your ideology based on public perception and popularity.

breezy1985 · 30-09-2022 09:16AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119683346#Comment_119683346

I think thanks to all the flip flopping we have discovered at this stage that Eskimo is in fact Liz Truss 😁

Leroy42 · 30-09-2022 09:17AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119683217#Comment_119683217

The toxicity is coming from the left? Calling people remoaners? Telling people that questioning the direction of the country is unpatriotic. Calling out social welfare recipients as being too lazy to work and blaming immigrants for all the problems and blaming the EU for being mean.

And as for people being stupid, well we are now onto the 4th Tory leader. The second since the last general election. The Brexit deal turned out to be rancid, the new leader blew up the markets within days, after giving massive tax breaks to the richest 1%, going back on the no fracking promise and now looking to solve the financial shortfall by restarting austerity.

At some point all those that voted for the Tories at the last election, and voted for Brexit, need to consider that maybe, just maybe, given the disaster and costs of the last 6 years, that maybe they were taken in by clever soundbites and targeted ads

30-09-2022 09:26AM

Not so much a policy opinion but........I have a massive crush on Liz Truss.

Anyone else feel the same or am I alone?

Fr Tod Umptious · 30-09-2022 09:31AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119683468#Comment_119683468

I'd be more of a Culture Secretary Michelle Donnelan man myself

walterking · 30-09-2022 09:32AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119683468#Comment_119683468

You are alone. Very alone

😁

30-09-2022 09:32AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119683430#Comment_119683430

I didn’t vote for Brexit, so I can’t comment on why people did.

I have however, voted conservative because there is no viable alternative. I know this forum is 99% Labour and this will be treated in the same way that criticism of Labour is treated, but they need to shoulder the blame.

post Brexit, Corbyn’s sole objective was to create chaos in the hope he could use it to bring down the government. Of all the Brexit deals that have been put forward to parliament, the early Theresa May deals have been the best and yet labour voted against every single one. They saw the divisions in the Tory party, exploited them for their own ends, with no consideration on what it was doing to the country. Everyone could see it, which is why labour had their arses handed to them so spectacularly at the last election.

the conservatives did not win the red wall, Labour lost it and like I said, the middle class intellectuals at the Guardian, who don’t live in the real world, could not handle it and set about spreading lies and disinformation.

and, let’s face it, it has worked.

Quin_Dub · 30-09-2022 09:35AM

And just on fracking - The CEO of the company that drilled the first ever fracking wells in the UK says that it's not practical to do large scale fracking in the UK due to the geology of the country.

Chris Cornelius, the geologist who founded Cuadrilla Resources, which drilled the UK’s first modern hydraulic fracturing wells in Lancashire, told the Guardian that he believed the government’s support for it is merely a “political gesture”.

“I don’t think there is any chance of fracking in the UK in the near term.”

He said that when Cuadrilla had operated here, it had discovered that the geology of the UK was unsuited to widespread fracking operations. “No sensible investors” would take the risk of embarking on large projects here, he said. “It’s very challenging geology, compared with North America [where fracking is a major industry].”

Unlike the gas-bearing shale deposits in the US, the shale resource in the UK is “heavily faulted and compartmentalised”, making it far harder to exploit at any scale.

So another pointless , poorly thought out exercise - Although I'm sure some Tory donor will get a huge Government contract to ruin the countryside for a few years as part of it.

Hoop66 · 30-09-2022 09:39AM

Those pesky lefties like *checks notes* the OBR, the IMF & the notoriously communist Stock Exchange?

The chaos of Brexit is somehow Labour's fault? For voting against May's deal? Remind of who had a majority in the HoC at that point?

30-09-2022 09:40AM

And right on que, a toxic piece of Guardian disinformation, with some added toxicity from Quinn.

Timberrrrrrrr · 30-09-2022 09:42AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119683468#Comment_119683468

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Igotadose · 30-09-2022 09:44AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119683521#Comment_119683521

Having been involved slightly with an attempted conventional gas extraction adventure in Poland, which shares some geological similarities with England at the depths the hydrocarbons show up, I'd say they're crazy to try this in England. Fracking works in areas of North America because of the geology and the topography that enables it to be economically feasible.

If they started today to frack gas economically in Lancashire (!), minimum 5 years imo before they are online, and that assumes there's enough gas there to be worthwhile.

VinLieger · 30-09-2022 09:49AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119683582#Comment_119683582

Also as has been pointed out time and again the theoretical gas when extracted wont go straight into british homes, it has to be sold on international markets and then bought back by british energy companies and there wont be anywhere near enough of a supply to impact the price and cause a reduction in it.

Yurt2 · 30-09-2022 09:50AM

The Tory movement is a tapeworm that has migrated to the brain.

It's bent on destruction. It's decries the cultural and economic malaise it presided over and cheerlead since the 70s. And in its final form, blames the communities it destroyed.

When observing the smouldering wreck, their prescription is "more of the same". More deregulation, more tax cuts bunged to asset hoarders and useless f*ck Tory donors, more housing bubbles, more discipline of organised labour, more city-boy inside-trading f*ckery, more destruction of state-delivered services to be replaced by sweetheart contracts to doners and staffed by people on zero-hour contracts, more burning-down trading relationships with neighbours, more magic money economics.

Rory Stewart compared the pathology of the Conservative Party to that of hardline communists in the last decade of the Soviet Union. Everything was clearly f*cked, but the brains trust responsible just decided they weren't doing stupid hard enough, and just doubled-down until it collapsed.

It's resembling a mental illness more than it is a political proposition now.

Never should Ireland be more grateful for its independence from the UK and the grip of these lunatics (by which I mean the danger of being governed by Tories) than now.

Leroy42 · 30-09-2022 09:59AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119683506#Comment_119683506

Seriously? You want to blame Corbyn for the disaster. The man never was in power, and yet somehow you think he is to blame?

The Tory party, combined with the DUP that they give 1bn promise to to buy, had a majority in the HoC. It was the ERG and the other Tories that rejected the May deal, rejected it in record numbers.

Johnson then rode in promising that everything was going to be great and was given an 80 seat majority, Corbyn was kicked out of leadership of the labour party. Johnsons deal is so useless, so hated by the Tory party, that they have decided to threaten to break international law and the agreement itself to try to get out of it.

Corbyn didn't need to create chaos. The Brexit vote itself was nothing more than a play by Cameron to try to limit the chaos in the Tory party and cut off UKIP. Straight after the vote, the man that said that it was a choice between stability with him or chaos with Milliband, walked out of the job. The Tories opted for May, seeing her as the best person to lead the country, and party, through BRecit. Right from the start, despite May promising the hardest of Brexits, may within the Tory party, led by JRM and sniped from the sidelines by Johnson, did everything they could to derail any change May had of getting a deal that worked.

Brexit, and the Tories, and the cause of the the creators of, the chaos. Trying to blame the left, Corbyn etc is simply weak and shows you are not even trying to hold those responsible to account.

VinLieger · 30-09-2022 09:59AM

Just saw a clip from question time where a woman had her mortgage offered from two weeks at 4.5% ago pulled and was told to reapply immediately as the new one would be minimum 10.4% and they are going to just keep going up...... how the **** anyone can look at that and still think the tories are in any way competent baffles me.

https://twitter.com/bbcquestiontime/status/1575573759565635587

The reaction from the crowd says it all

30-09-2022 10:07AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119683637#Comment_119683637

sorry, you are correct. Labour are perfect and Corbyn our saviour.

Which is why I presume certain elements in Labour want him back.

Yurt2 · 30-09-2022 10:07AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119683637#Comment_119683637

It's way of life and not intended to be logically coherent.

It's all articles of faith, dogma and no little contempt for fellow citizens. You're arguing with a pathology and not a good faith political movement that seeks to provide answers to problems.

BoJo banished - Liz Truss down. Is Rishi next for the toaster? **threadbans in OP**

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BoJo banished - Liz Truss down. Is Rishi next for the toaster? threadbans in OP