Tesla Model 3 - V3.0

drver1 · 29-09-2022 11:51AM

App says 54

AndyBoBandy · 29-09-2022 12:18PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119675955#Comment_119675955

This.

Tesla have never advertised battery sizes, only range.

People bought a car that can do 491km in the WLTP cycle, and what size battery is under the floor is irrelevant in that regard. 491km would be achievable with easy enough driving. In my Fremont SR+ with 409km WLTP, I can easily hit and exceed the WLTP figures (this summer in Lithuania I managed 218km using 52% battery, which works out at 419km for a 100% charge).

I'd be delighted getting into a new RWD now with that 8kWh buffer, as chances are if/when any battery degradation occurs, it'll come out of that huge buffer, and the range the car had on day 1 will probably still be there after 150,000km...

mc2022B2TF · 29-09-2022 12:58PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119679954#Comment_119679954

Sorry but you don't really get it. RWD delivered early 2022 has a WLTP of 491km. RWD delivered in September also has the same WLTP but approx 5kWh bigger buffer.

So the 2 can't be the same i'm afraid for WLTP. Although Tesla don't advertised battery size (lack of transparency but thats for another day), the WLTP range has the battery size as part of the equation.

The only way i can match the same range as the early 2022 deliveries (that were advertised exactly the same for WLTP) is to drive waaay past zero.

You are also making assumptions on future degradation coming out of the buffer and we should be delighted about that. I'd take a longer range right now and it degrading to the current range over time - i think that's a bit of a no brainer and your argument makes zero sense in this regard.

Thank you.

mc2022B2TF · 29-09-2022 12:59PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119679803#Comment_119679803

what does your invoice say out of interest?

mc2022B2TF · 29-09-2022 01:11PM

FYI on a usable battery of 57kWh (early 2022 RWD's) you would need to average 117 wh/km to achieve a WLTP range of 491km - so 8.6km per kWh

On a usable battery of 52kWh (September 2022 RWD's) you would need to average 106 wh/km to achieve a WLTP range of 491km - so 9.44km per kWh.

I mean i don't think i can dumb it down any further.

No wonder Tesla don't advertise battery sizes alright then you might actually be able to question their figures in a transparent way.

Anyone here know a 491km route downhill so i can get 106 wh/km.....................

slave1 · 29-09-2022 01:47PM

You are also making assumptions on future degradation coming out of the buffer and we should be delighted about that.

On my Model S the buffer was static and the degradation was of the usable element (9% after 7 years)

slave1 · 29-09-2022 01:50PM

In other news, got Sonic, Cat Quest and Cup Head added as games but more interestingly Sat Nav now offers 3 routes to choose from (so similar to Google Maps).

Software update

AndyBoBandy · 29-09-2022 02:04PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119680212#Comment_119680212

Anyone here know a 491km route downhill so i can get 106 wh/km.....................

Would you believe me if I said I've driven the below route on many occasions (in summer) and kept the consumption below 105wh/km (in a Fremont SR+)

mc2022B2TF · 29-09-2022 02:13PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119680449#Comment_119680449

Yes i would.

Best I've seen on a trip in mine was 118 wh/km but that was a round trip so allowed for elevation both ways - i couldn't go one way and teleport the car back home for me. But that really is very very slow and careful driving.

What size is the battery pack in the FM SR+? I presume smaller and more importantly lighter so i'm assuming capable of better efficiency. So unless you can do it in a RWD 60.5kWh pack, i don't want to know lol

mc2022B2TF · 29-09-2022 02:16PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119680347#Comment_119680347

Yes, what i was thinking. Buffer seems set and comes off the nominal full pack. So if the nominal full pack degrades then so does your usable portion. And with a higher buffer your usable battery will actually degrade MORE the bigger buffer you have. Which is obviously a bad thing.

jusmeig · 29-09-2022 02:51PM

Took the recommendation from someone on this forum to visit Padraic/John in Flawless Detailing, very impressed with the job.

The guys were excellent, and did PPF on front, A pillars, rocker panels, lower doors and cargo area, coating the lot in Xpel fusion ceramic.

I got a call from Padraic with videos of some defect contamination he found on the passenger side, tiny specs all along the front of the car. He was able to polish them out to the point I could not see them. I guess it will never be this clean again :D

reni10 · 29-09-2022 03:08PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119680526#Comment_119680526

You should post your findings over here and ask for others to verify as there would be a good few more people over there to do the test you are looking for: https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/model-3-sr-lfp-battery-range-degradation-etc-discussion.244385/page-40

innrain · 29-09-2022 03:16PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119680365#Comment_119680365

Looking forward for these alternate routes.

eamondunphy · 29-09-2022 05:28PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119680740#Comment_119680740

Looks great would you mind pm me the price please, looking to getting it done on my model 3 soon

wassie · 29-09-2022 06:42PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119676093#Comment_119676093

There was also a very short lived 428km WLTP version here which was a Fremont SR+ with original CATL battery and the heat pump as well as the interior refresh

Thats me! Took delivery in Dec 2020 and just tipped over 70,000km this week.

No idea of how my battery health is. All I know is that I charge my battery strictly in accordance with the guidelines in the owners manual. All reports seem to indicate if I keep doing that then I should be in good shape for some time to come.

I am finding all this talk of useable battery & buffers highly amusing. I appreciate the concerns are genuine and not mocking them. But for me given the amount of AC & DC charging I do every week on my 50kW battery, I would wreck my head pretty quickly if I was worried about that missing 5%.

Paint protection is also something that would be wasted on me. No "ceramic" coat is going to protect my bonnet from a stray rock at 120kmh. Just did my annual clay bar and acrylic glaze in prep for winter on the weekend and its looking great - so easy bringing the white back to life.

All I know is the M3 is the best car I've every driven and takes a lot of that fatigue out of distance driving for me. And supercharging is the cream on top!

Gumbo · 29-09-2022 08:34PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119680740#Comment_119680740

The etching looked like someone rubbed off dirt spots. I seen the photos of it.

It further highlights the soft Tesla Paint. I think it was me that recommended Padraic :)

Gumbo · 29-09-2022 08:36PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119681704#Comment_119681704

Ceramic Coating won't protect against chips, but a front end PPF would if you do big motorway mileage.

Eireann81 · 29-09-2022 09:22PM

@mc2022B2TF Here are a few pics from a 200km journey taken today. RWD Model 3 picked up earlier this month.

reni10 · 29-09-2022 10:07PM

So 27kwh at 50% which seems about right with probably the HVAC using 1-2kwh for a journey that length so you are looking at about 56-58kwh usable…

Eireann81 · 29-09-2022 10:28PM

It's still hard to tell... while at 50%, it changed from 26kwh to 27kwh, which is why I added both pics at 50%. I was not using lights or A/C. I was listening to Spotify and had the driver's heated seat on.

Gumbo · 29-09-2022 10:39PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119682583#Comment_119682583

Both of those use the 12v with minimal draw from the HV.

Had you got the air fans off completely?

reni10 · 29-09-2022 10:50PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119682583#Comment_119682583

Could the new processor in the infotainment system be running 1-2kwh then for that journey?

Tesla did say that this new chip would use additional energy so maybe this is what we are seeing…

Eireann81 · 29-09-2022 10:59PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119682632#Comment_119682632

Fan was running on low speed - I think it was set to 2.

mc2022B2TF · 29-09-2022 11:11PM

@Eireann81

Astonishing pics. I've never ever at any stage been able to extrapolate past 52kWh

Yet you are showing at your 75% a minimum of 56kWh

The plot thickens as the multiple pics you have shown clearly indicate a usable battery of at least 56kwh but more than likely of 57+

Thank you so much for posting these. I'll be opening another query with tesla and demanding some proper answers on this.

I will keep you all updated for those interested!

mc2022B2TF · 29-09-2022 11:17PM

At 66% u had used 19kWh representing 57kWh.

Mad.

Mike2006 · 30-09-2022 08:01AM

Capacity.pdf

OK, attached is where I am at after 181kms. I will do the final one this evening when I get home - I should have ~250kms up by then and I estimate a level of battery at ~33%.

My lights would have been on for the 2 morning trips, heated seat and steering wheel for a part of the morning trip. A/C off but fan on speed 3. Also, when I got into the car this morning it was not cold so I suspect that the heating came on this morning even though I did not have a departure set on the Tesla App?? Car dropped between 1% overnight.

Mike

LeeroyJ. · 30-09-2022 09:27AM

Anyone know what the cost of supercharging is now post increase? Haven't been to a station since receiving the mail.

innrain · 30-09-2022 09:32AM

car dropped between 1% overnight.

That's why you need to have a continuous drive when taking the measurement. That 1% which can be anything from .5%- 1.4% it is going to screw your results as it is not accounted on the display.

Somewhere on this thread I posted a screenshot of scan my Tesla app Totals. I'll try to find it. There are 2 figures which are not accounted on the trip meters. Recuperated energy which for me stands at around 32% of the total and stationary energy which is used while of course not moving. One can say that recoup is there because of the average consumption but it would be nice to see it separately nevertheless. The energy use while parked is substantial for me as I use sentry most of the time, I wait for the kids which don't know what punctuality is or I prefer to stay in the car instead of crowd the likes of Kildare village, I make hours long zoom calls from the car with AC blasting. Even after you park the car, the car itself will keep running some components to cool down the battery in a controlled manner. All these are not on the display as they are not part of the trip.