BoJo banished - Liz Truss down. Is Rishi next for the toaster? threadbans in OP

29-09-2022 07:21PM

I think the writing is on the wall for the Conservatives.

I actually don't put it down to Truss or factors like that (though that is no doubt a factor). Instead, I think if any political party is in power for a prolonged period of time, they become tired and weary and lack the vim and vigour that a new party can provide.

Whether it was 12 years of Thatcher or 12 years of Blair, the principle is the same - and the longer the party is in power, the easier it becomes for the public to become lethargic with them, and to assign greater blame for any ills, whether real or perceived, in society.

We're witnessing the end of the Conservative term in that wider context. Whether it happens in a few months or next year, Keir Starmer will almost certainly be the next Prime Minister - and will have a substantial majority.

Patser · 29-09-2022 07:30PM

Tory conference this weekend - it's going to be a great watch, MPs shuffling around not sure if they should be cheering on Truss, or trying not to be photographed near her. Divisions laid bare, and Truss will have to be front and centre with her speeches (and look at her history of 'great' speeches)

No hiding place now

Quin_Dub · 29-09-2022 07:31PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119681836#Comment_119681836

So it's all just a general sense of ennui that has caused support for the Tories to collapse over the last 12 months or so.

There was the rest of us thinking it was to do with their rampant criminality , gross incompetence and casual cruelty to the average worker.

Luckily we have you to set us all straight.

Thanks Eskimo!!!

Brussels Sprout · 29-09-2022 07:42PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119681862#Comment_119681862

I predict a lot of absences due to "Covid"

cheese sandwich · 29-09-2022 07:44PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119681905#Comment_119681905

According to an article in the Guardian, many of the sane MPs are staying away so the place will probably be full of Brexity loons who think Liz is doing a great job and the negative market reaction is all just a leftie Remoaner plot

Headshot · 29-09-2022 07:48PM

And here's me thinking that with BJ going we wont ever see the same car crash tv but I'm so happy to see i'm completely wrong

This is just so damn entertaining

29-09-2022 07:48PM

the thing about that poll is that the OBR report hasn’t come out yet, which will be damming. And Kwarteng has yet to set out all the cuts he’ll be making across all departments (except military), including health, which will go down like a lead balloon. Plus interest rates and mortgage costs yet to be felt.

plus the poll shows clearly the swing back of the red wall from Boris to labour. No matter what Truss does now, that dynamic won’t be reversed in two years

she has to double down. She’s no choice. To u-turn would only serve to confirm to the markets her lack of competence, the worst thing that a conviction politician can do is reverse course. And they’ve said that this is the only way to grow….so to reverse confirms no growth

there is literally no way out of this. What a mess. Unbelievable actually

They were always going to lose but there is a chance now that the tories get absolutely annihilated

if she’d have just with the energy stuff, structural stuff to support growth long term, and say that inflation was priority number 1, she’d probably be okay

29-09-2022 07:54PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119681733#Comment_119681733

LoL.

anyone not part of the raving leftie group think is a Tory bot?

29-09-2022 07:59PM

The only way forward for the country and the Tory party is for Liz Truss to keep her head down, keep her fob shut and weather the storm of the next year or so until the next general election, in the hope that she can limit the damage the Tories will suffer.

the last thing the country needs now is any more political uncertainty, be that a leadership or general election.

Igotadose · 29-09-2022 08:06PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119681967#Comment_119681967

Take a read again of what you've written. The only way forward is for the PM not to speak, and drag the country through hell until some point in the future...

Tell me, would you have voted for her if that were her platform? "I will not speak, I will just drag us through until there's an election forced on me?"

Seriously?

Brussels Sprout · 29-09-2022 08:08PM

I can't get enough of these withering takes from the Tories themselves:

https://twitter.com/cathynewman/status/1575535978952925186

29-09-2022 08:10PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119681865#Comment_119681865

No, I said political factors are involved.

But no political party can hold their own over a large swathe of time, lest they come from the authoritarian side of things.

It's a combination of factors. But you cannot deny that longevity of a party in power, at least in the UK and Ireland, is almost always associated with a substantial drumming at the election.

Headshot · 29-09-2022 08:11PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119681967#Comment_119681967

No the only way is to make Kwasi Kwarteng the sacrificial lamb

Lay all the blame on Kwasi Kwarteng is her only escape at this point

29-09-2022 08:13PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119682012#Comment_119682012

She won’t sacrifice him to the markets on the basis that she agrees with these policies even more strongly than he does. This is her policy first and foremost. Everyone knows that and it would be a uturn that would destroy her

only option at this stage is to push on with what they’re planning

breezy1985 · 29-09-2022 08:17PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119681988#Comment_119681988

Quiet you raving leftie 🤣

AMKC · 29-09-2022 08:19PM

And if course the Tories are in denial about there budget as well. How thick can they be to think what is happening now is not because of there silly mini-budget.

They really need to back track or nothing they can do will save them not from there central bank and not from the Government except for going back on there mini budget.

breezy1985 · 29-09-2022 08:25PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119681836#Comment_119681836

You actually specifically in no uncertain terms put it exactly down to Truss a few months ago.

You were also boasting about many more years of Tory rule because Labour and Starmer were completely unelectable.

29-09-2022 08:27PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119681988#Comment_119681988

I wouldn’t have voted for her anyway.

the Tories are going to lose the next election, their main mode needs to be damage limitation.

I didn’t say anything about dragging the country through hell, not sure where you got that from.

the last thing the UK needs at the moment, is either a leadership or general election. Which bit of that was hard to comprehend?

29-09-2022 08:30PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119682021#Comment_119682021

At some point, he will have to fall on his sword. These may be her ideas, but he is the CX and if he is against them, then he has no business enacting them.

it wouldn’t surprise me one bit to see Sunak back in that roll, to try and keep some sort of cohesion in the party.

Timberrrrrrrr · 29-09-2022 08:48PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119682081#Comment_119682081

Would Sunak take that role though? There's already rumours he's not going to the Tory party conference next week. Could you Imagine his 1st speech as chancellor? It would be akin to the episode of the Simpsons when Homer became the garbage commissioner.

https://youtu.be/b6CVvNRQcvE

29-09-2022 08:50PM

The Simpsons uncanny ability to predict the future.

29-09-2022 08:54PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119682061#Comment_119682061

We have to go by what the evidence says, rather than speculation.

The polls today are unlikely to be reversed. They signal the end of Conservative Party rule for quite some time.

29-09-2022 08:54PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119682072#Comment_119682072

The bit about the Uk not needing a general election, that's precisely what it needs and the sooner the better.

Igotadose · 29-09-2022 09:00PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119681967#Comment_119681967

Again, your words defining "the only way forward". You acknowledge there's a storm to be weathered, yet, in your view the way forward for the UK is for the PM to say nothing and keep plodding on. In a time of crisis, would you have voted for a PM whose platform was, 'Vote for me and I'll say nothing." Is that REALLY what you want?

29-09-2022 09:05PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119682209#Comment_119682209

I don’t mean literally say nothing. Just do her job and try not to do anything stupid

and yeah, there is a massive storm brewing are you so obsessed with the UK that you’ve missed country after country slipping in to recession?

Seth Brundle · 29-09-2022 09:09PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119682002#Comment_119682002

I thinking usually parties become more arrogant the longer they are in power and no better party at being arrogant than the Tories.

This is the latest scandal (but a fairly massive one!) but given their contempt for the public during the pandemic it was never going to take much for the public to turn on them.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119682176#Comment_119682176

They signal the end of Conservative Party rule for quite some time.

Hopefully it is the end if the Conservative Party.

HalloweenJack · 29-09-2022 09:09PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119682072#Comment_119682072

Why exactly? The current government are doing a horrendous job. Why not have an election and let the people decide whether to continue with the Tories or let someone else give it a go?

Yes, the Tories got a whooping majority in 2019 but a lot has changed in that time. All the scandals, the cost of living crisis, the fallout from Brexit. There's more than enough to show that the Tories have done a terrible job and that they don't care one bit about the majority of the public; they're only interested in lining their pockets and those of their friends.

The previous PM (the one people voted for) stumbled from scandal to scandal. The current one cannot say with a straight face that she is fulfilling the public's wishes (Tory voters in 2019 were voting for a Johnson-led government, not a Truss one). Were Truss to present a manifesto of her policies to the entire voting public, not just the Tory membership, she would likely fail horribly.

The only people who don't need an election right now are the Tories. Frankly, I'd argue that the UK deserve to have a chance to vote on whether to continue with this incarnation of the Tories because the evidence so far is that they haven't a clue.

29-09-2022 09:25PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119682242#Comment_119682242

Hopefully it is the end if the Conservative Party.

Keir Starmer originally proposed to introduce proportional representation, but has recently said that he's suddenly against moving toward it.

So, the two-party system in the UK is not going to change anytime soon. Just like Labour were torn asunder after Gordon Brown, we'll see the same destruction of the Tory's (perhaps greater, actually) in the coming election.

But the same fate awaits the Labour party. It's politically inevitable that the system shifts toward the alternate party. The only things we can't predict are the factors that will influence that - whether they be domestic, international, or both.

Danzy · 29-09-2022 09:31PM

I think Labour have a good chance of getting one of the largest majorities on record after this week.

It's before the fall out lands on people's door, talk now of rates going above 7%.

Truss makes Jeremy Corbyn look credible.

The You Gov poll today would have them well under 50 seats.

Faugheen · 29-09-2022 09:32PM

It's times like this where I am grateful for Paschal Donohoe.

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BoJo banished - Liz Truss down. Is Rishi next for the toaster? threadbans in OP