It's all falling apart alarmingly fast for Boris Johnson across the water. How long you reckon he has left as British Prime Minister? Hours surely?
How many parties are they talking about now? I've lost count.
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We have to go by what the evidence says, rather than speculation.
The polls today are unlikely to be reversed. They signal the end of Conservative Party rule for quite some time.
The Simpsons uncanny ability to predict the future.
Would Sunak take that role though? There's already rumours he's not going to the Tory party conference next week. Could you Imagine his 1st speech as chancellor? It would be akin to the episode of the Simpsons when Homer became the garbage commissioner.
At some point, he will have to fall on his sword. These may be her ideas, but he is the CX and if he is against them, then he has no business enacting them.
it wouldn’t surprise me one bit to see Sunak back in that roll, to try and keep some sort of cohesion in the party.
I wouldn’t have voted for her anyway.
the Tories are going to lose the next election, their main mode needs to be damage limitation.
I didn’t say anything about dragging the country through hell, not sure where you got that from.
the last thing the UK needs at the moment, is either a leadership or general election. Which bit of that was hard to comprehend?
You actually specifically in no uncertain terms put it exactly down to Truss a few months ago.
You were also boasting about many more years of Tory rule because Labour and Starmer were completely unelectable.
And if course the Tories are in denial about there budget as well. How thick can they be to think what is happening now is not because of there silly mini-budget.
They really need to back track or nothing they can do will save them not from there central bank and not from the Government except for going back on there mini budget.
Quiet you raving leftie 🤣
She won’t sacrifice him to the markets on the basis that she agrees with these policies even more strongly than he does. This is her policy first and foremost. Everyone knows that and it would be a uturn that would destroy her
only option at this stage is to push on with what they’re planning
No the only way is to make Kwasi Kwarteng the sacrificial lamb
Lay all the blame on Kwasi Kwarteng is her only escape at this point
No, I said political factors are involved.
But no political party can hold their own over a large swathe of time, lest they come from the authoritarian side of things.
It's a combination of factors. But you cannot deny that longevity of a party in power, at least in the UK and Ireland, is almost always associated with a substantial drumming at the election.
I can't get enough of these withering takes from the Tories themselves:
Take a read again of what you've written. The only way forward is for the PM not to speak, and drag the country through hell until some point in the future...
Tell me, would you have voted for her if that were her platform? "I will not speak, I will just drag us through until there's an election forced on me?"
Seriously?
The only way forward for the country and the Tory party is for Liz Truss to keep her head down, keep her fob shut and weather the storm of the next year or so until the next general election, in the hope that she can limit the damage the Tories will suffer.
the last thing the country needs now is any more political uncertainty, be that a leadership or general election.
LoL.
anyone not part of the raving leftie group think is a Tory bot?
the thing about that poll is that the OBR report hasn’t come out yet, which will be damming. And Kwarteng has yet to set out all the cuts he’ll be making across all departments (except military), including health, which will go down like a lead balloon. Plus interest rates and mortgage costs yet to be felt.
plus the poll shows clearly the swing back of the red wall from Boris to labour. No matter what Truss does now, that dynamic won’t be reversed in two years
she has to double down. She’s no choice. To u-turn would only serve to confirm to the markets her lack of competence, the worst thing that a conviction politician can do is reverse course. And they’ve said that this is the only way to grow….so to reverse confirms no growth
there is literally no way out of this. What a mess. Unbelievable actually
They were always going to lose but there is a chance now that the tories get absolutely annihilated
if she’d have just with the energy stuff, structural stuff to support growth long term, and say that inflation was priority number 1, she’d probably be okay
And here's me thinking that with BJ going we wont ever see the same car crash tv but I'm so happy to see i'm completely wrong
This is just so damn entertaining
According to an article in the Guardian, many of the sane MPs are staying away so the place will probably be full of Brexity loons who think Liz is doing a great job and the negative market reaction is all just a leftie Remoaner plot
I predict a lot of absences due to "Covid"
So it's all just a general sense of ennui that has caused support for the Tories to collapse over the last 12 months or so.
There was the rest of us thinking it was to do with their rampant criminality , gross incompetence and casual cruelty to the average worker.
Luckily we have you to set us all straight.
Thanks Eskimo!!!
Tory conference this weekend - it's going to be a great watch, MPs shuffling around not sure if they should be cheering on Truss, or trying not to be photographed near her. Divisions laid bare, and Truss will have to be front and centre with her speeches (and look at her history of 'great' speeches)
No hiding place now
I think the writing is on the wall for the Conservatives.
I actually don't put it down to Truss or factors like that (though that is no doubt a factor). Instead, I think if any political party is in power for a prolonged period of time, they become tired and weary and lack the vim and vigour that a new party can provide.
Whether it was 12 years of Thatcher or 12 years of Blair, the principle is the same - and the longer the party is in power, the easier it becomes for the public to become lethargic with them, and to assign greater blame for any ills, whether real or perceived, in society.
We're witnessing the end of the Conservative term in that wider context. Whether it happens in a few months or next year, Keir Starmer will almost certainly be the next Prime Minister - and will have a substantial majority.
Surely Labour have to table a no confidence motion asap?
Here is one poll
Maybe it's got to do with everybody knowing you as an unreliable Torybot.
They really are a slimy craven bunch the Tories. Hold an 'advisory referendum' on brexit so that they wouldn't have to follow the electoral commissions rules, and when they want to bring in tax cuts for the rich, do it under a 'mini budget' that doesn't require oversight from the OBR
They do not think any of the rules should apply to them at all do they
Times radio did a great montage of the interview highlights, backed by Bowie and Queen’s ‘Under Pressure’ (it’s at the start of the John Pienaar’s drivetime show…..can’t see that they’ve tweeted it)
Yeah thats where they get out of jail sort of because it wasnt a real budget, thats why they didnt have to get it costed and rightfully criticised by the OBR as has to happen for a real budget.
Thats why I asked as it’s been called a mini budget( not by the British government) and it would(and has) happened here in Ireland where governments have fallen on not being able to pass the budget.
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