BoJo banished - Liz Truss down. Is Rishi next for the toaster? threadbans in OP

Leroy42 · 29-09-2022 12:12PM

Can she sack Kwasi though? I mean, she cannot even claim that it wasn't her idea, she said she was going to do something like this during the election campaign.

I mean, she may think it is the only option, and it may be enough to buy her some time, but she is already damaged and is going to find it very hard to lead the party into the next election.

Quin_Dub · 29-09-2022 12:24PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119679848#Comment_119679848

There is absolutely nothing that she can do right now to save herself.

If she sacks him, then she rightly takes the blame for both picking him and agreeing with the policies

If she doesn't sack him then she rightly takes the blame for sticking by him and agreeing with the policies

If either of them announce changes to the policy then they both rightly take the blame for causing all the problems for nothing.

If they decide to stick to the policy, then they both rightly take the blame for causing all the problems now and into the future.

Her future is utterly in the hands of the Tory MPs and no one else.

They know that they cannot win the next Election with her - Their only (selfish) calculation right now is whether or not there is anyone else in their ranks capable of winning.

If they think there is they'll fudge the rules and kick her out ,if not they'll grumble and mumble but do nothing as keeping their jobs for as long as possible is the only thing that matters to the vast majority of them.

Oddly enough , Sunak looks far more palatable now in comparison but the wider membership in a final vote wouldn't pick him , they'd pick whatever fringe loon made it through to the final ballot.

Timberrrrrrrr · 29-09-2022 12:29PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119679524#Comment_119679524

"the interviewers don't hold much weight. They will create a buzz on Social media but that will be short-lived."

Not too sure about that, those zinger are being replayed by hosts on national stations now so they are getting a much bigger audience.

BonnieSituation · 29-09-2022 12:37PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119679068#Comment_119679068

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119679085#Comment_119679085

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119679199#Comment_119679199

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119679238#Comment_119679238

That is some of the most painful radio I have EVER EVER heard. That's beyond belief.

Captain_Crash · 29-09-2022 12:42PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119680024#Comment_119680024

This is true, but it’s the worst case scenario for her after this mornings car crash! Had she sat in front of Kay Burley or the likes, then it would be all over the news anyway, so it was a gamble worth taking! Either way she’s f****d

Quin_Dub · 29-09-2022 12:43PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119680024#Comment_119680024

Not too sure about that, those zinger are being replayed by hosts on national stations now so they are getting a much bigger audience.

Exactly -

The rest of the media will love this as they get to dump on her from a great height , but can deflect any push-back by simply saying "we're just reporting what happened , it wasn't our people that asked those questions"

breezy1985 · 29-09-2022 12:53PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119680090#Comment_119680090

But if she went on Kay Burley no one would be calling her a coward for trying to hide on local radio and hopefully bully some "second rate" host into making her look good.

Glaceon · 29-09-2022 12:57PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119679259#Comment_119679259

I saw this, she keeps getting tagged by big media outlets who haven't checked who they're tagging. I'd say she's loving it.

29-09-2022 01:00PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119680144#Comment_119680144

These interviews have been arranged for several weeks I believe, they just came at a really bad time for her.

Leroy42 · 29-09-2022 01:04PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119680181#Comment_119680181

Ah come on. Really bad time for her? Why, these are her policies, this is doing exactly what she wanted to do. She is a new leader, with a massive majority. She has been hiding the last 4 days. The least she could have done is prepare for these.

Either she did prepare, and was awful, or she didn't which is awful

But even if they had been arranged, you may not have noticed but there is a situation happening at the moment and she should be trying to deal with it, you know being the PM and all.

Not sure why you believe they were arranged several weeks before, but not sure what relevance that has even if it was the case.

As we saw during the leaders election campaign, she is not against cancelling media events (tv debate in that case) if it no longer suits her.

She chose to do them, she could have either gone with a major network or remained in hiding. My bet is she was coming under increasing scrutiny for hiding so had to do something and they felt that local interviews would be much easier and play out better.

Danzy · 29-09-2022 01:06PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119680024#Comment_119680024

Agreed. Social media can make it all go viral, especially a fu78 up interview like that.

Podge_irl · 29-09-2022 01:06PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119680181#Comment_119680181

Suspect they were planned to tout her energy bill as they didn't see the market meltdown from her mini-budget coming.

The fact that she kept answering questions with reference to the energy stimulus when they were about her godawful tax policies would add strength to that idea. Utterly incapable of adapting her pre-planned lines.

BonnieSituation · 29-09-2022 01:06PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119680181#Comment_119680181

This is as close to criticism of the Tories as we'll ever see from yourself.

That said, she's the PM. Every station would drop any item if she was willing to give an interview. I'd be inclined to think the lead in was rather, a lot shorter than you want to think.

Danzy · 29-09-2022 01:07PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119680181#Comment_119680181

It's nearly always a bad time when you are in politics.

For a person with her years of experience it was jaw dropping.

Yurt2 · 29-09-2022 01:08PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119680194#Comment_119680194

Poster is shook because he was being all smarmy about a bilateral loan extended to Ireland from the UK.

He was warned just two weeks ago that Ireland isn't the sick man of Europe anymore, that it's the UK heading for a wall.

I suspect it's all still sinking in.

Quin_Dub · 29-09-2022 01:09PM

In one of the interviews , with the local station for her own constituency she was asked about what she was going to do about the roof of the local hospital (which is apparently literally falling down and propped up with Acros etc.) and her response was "As the MP for the local area I will lobby the minister responsible, but I'm not going to make any promises on their behalf"

That's the answer you'd expect from a brand new back-bencher with zero clout, but from the PM that's just appallingly bad.

Strazdas · 29-09-2022 01:11PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119679913#Comment_119679913

Extremely risky. If she sacks him, it looks terrible. If she doesn't and doubles down on the tax cuts, that is nearly as bad for her.

Timberrrrrrrr · 29-09-2022 01:16PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119680181#Comment_119680181

You mean days after her disastrous "mini budget"?

Have you any proof theywere planned for weeks?

breezy1985 · 29-09-2022 01:17PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119680181#Comment_119680181

That's doesn't explain why she hid for 4 days. She didn't have to use local radio to try defend her role in this crisis.

Brussels Sprout · 29-09-2022 03:10PM

I see the pound has ticked back up to $1.10 since yesterday.

Is that purely a reaction to the BoE's intervention?

Quin_Dub · 29-09-2022 03:20PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119680844#Comment_119680844

Well, it's certainly the only action coming from the UK that might have a stabilising effect.

Nothing that Truss & Kwarteng have said will have had any positive impact.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 29-09-2022 03:33PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119679118#Comment_119679118

To be fair, she has. I mean, listening to the tweets posted by timber above, Johnson was much better at bullshit than she is. People knew he was full of it but he still managed to win them over. Truss is like a five-year old with choclate on her face trying to blame the dog.

MrMusician18 · 29-09-2022 03:36PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119680844#Comment_119680844

On the expectation of a rate rise, a reversal of this policy or a collapse of the government or possibly all three.

Truss's interviews this morning on top of the problems she's created have almost certainly ended her premiership - she may now not even see out her conference.

The market has read the tea leaves and knows change is coming because the current path is unsustainable. And has priced accordingly.

29-09-2022 04:06PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119680191#Comment_119680191

This morning, when I read the BBC news, it said that the PM was expected to defend the tax cuts in a series of interviews with local BBC radio stations, that were arranged several weeks ago.

that is why I posted it, to clarify things. But obviously on here we don’t let little things like facts get in the way of a good rant.

Captain_Crash · 29-09-2022 04:13PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119681068#Comment_119681068

If the were really arranged weeks ago it suggests they knew dam well the reaction would be bad!

If they expected it to be good they’d have had interviews lined up with the big dogs to take all the praise on offer, not little “middle England” regionals! They knew the demographic they were attacking!

29-09-2022 04:17PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119681093#Comment_119681093

There is more going on than just these tax cuts, you do realise that?

a new PM being interviewed on local radio and being asked about local issues, such as fracking, is nothing unusual.

Podge_irl · 29-09-2022 04:17PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119681068#Comment_119681068

She was expected to defend the tax cuts as they were by far the most pertinent issue facing the country today. She just instead went with some talking points from a policy from 2 weeks ago and hoped no one would notice. Doesn't exactly scream leadership.

Leroy42 · 29-09-2022 04:24PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119681068#Comment_119681068

So what? So what if they were arranged 10 years ago? They were arranged weeks ago to help seel Truss to the public, they were not set up to talk about the crashing markets, as that only happened since Friday. What is the point you are trying to make?

You know that as PM she can pretty much demand an interview slot with any organisation at pretty much any time. She is, as I pointed out, completely free to cancel any slot.

That she is so weak as to not be able to make a change? That somehow once they are booked the PM can never change?

And seeing as they were known in advance, what excuse can she possibly have for such a terrible performance?

Quin_Dub · 29-09-2022 04:29PM

Her "handlers" are obviously crap as well.

Not one of the questions asked were remotely unexpected given what has gone on over the last few days and for her to have absolutely nothing ready in terms of responses is just awful.

Either she and her team didn't prepare or they did prepare and she crumbled on air and couldn't remember the prepared responses.

Neither version is a good thing for someone attempting to lead the government of a major nation.

29-09-2022 04:29PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119681134#Comment_119681134

You need to keep an eye on the blood pressure there. I was merely clarifying the situation.

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