Was the government right to put no limit on the amount of Ukrainian refugees in Ireland? Read OP

cezanne · 28-09-2022 10:26AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119675336#Comment_119675336

Nope since Covid they can sign on once a month on line thats it, and funds are transferred into the bank account. Thats the new normal.

TaurenDruid · 28-09-2022 10:44AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119675075#Comment_119675075

So, not prioritised, then. Grand, only took 3 posts for you to admit that.

xxxxxxl · 28-09-2022 10:46AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119675435#Comment_119675435

What do you call it when one group gets something others have to apply for and be means tested on ? There is no means test for the Ukrainians on anything.

TaurenDruid · 28-09-2022 11:01AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119675446#Comment_119675446

They still have to apply, same as anyone else, and everyone who is eligible will get a grant. Eligibility has not been removed from anyone to make refugees eligible. The grant was increased - for everyone. So no, nobody is being "prioritised".

Amazing, though. You're seriously still posting about being jealous of students who've had their country invaded and atrocities committed against its citizens. 🙄

iamwhoiam · 28-09-2022 11:20AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119675357#Comment_119675357

Not for Ukrainians as far as I know they must present themselves with ID at a post office

xxxxxxl · 28-09-2022 11:56AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119675515#Comment_119675515

Filling out a form and not having to be means tested is prioritised. Its just that. I'm sure you have a link to everyone receiving this new amount never heard about it here. You mean in this budget ?

Beasty · 28-09-2022 12:41PM

Nuts102 threadbanned

28-09-2022 12:48PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119675357#Comment_119675357

Money needs to be collected in person at the post office.

Potatoeman · 28-09-2022 02:21PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119675035#Comment_119675035

They are responsible as they are incentivising the closure of these homes.

Secondly college places are finite, they can grant as many grants as they wish but they have to be paid for and it increases the points needed for in demand courses. It’s the same as the issue with primary and secondary education, you can’t increase the number of students in certain areas and not expect any negative impact on education standards.

28-09-2022 02:29PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119675992#Comment_119675992

Payments like one parent family can still be paid in to a bank account.

Boggles · 28-09-2022 02:54PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119676594#Comment_119676594

They are responsible as they are incentivising the closure of these homes.

They are but that is fúck all to do with refugees. You are legally obliged to give 6 months notice.

About 40 have closed since 2018, non viable.

Again they have been warned for years about this but chose to do nothing.

This problem is years in the making, I imagine it has something that has worried you since it started, have you questioned or written to any of your local representatives asking them what they are going to do about it in the proceeding years?

Subzero3 · 28-09-2022 03:07PM

When the EU goes tits up the open door immigration policy will rightly make things a lot worse for Ireland. A living social wage plus housing and free health will see the free movement of EU citizens something that kills this place. Sad times ahead.

xxxxxxl · 28-09-2022 03:43PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119676788#Comment_119676788

non viable that's rich owning a nursing home is the new pub. Do we mean people got wind of Immigration policy and shutting down of direct provision. Did old people stop getting old or something. 🤔 like all these hotels bought up in dead areas and getting government contracts. Thinking outside the box it's a way around asking the general population in an area for planning permission for refugee hubs.

Boggles · 28-09-2022 03:50PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119676977#Comment_119676977

non viable that's rich owning a nursing home is the new pub

Huh? They are private businesses, do you think they should exist as non profit or loss making? Very weird.

Anyway, it's not my opinion, the body that represents small nursing homes have been sounding the alarm about viability for years.

The new found concern especially on here has fúck all to do with care of the elderly I do suspect.

Strumms · 28-09-2022 08:26PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119675446#Comment_119675446

Simple, they as you correctly say are being prioritised.

ILoveYourVibes · 29-09-2022 02:43AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119616354#Comment_119616354

Ukraine will likely join the EU after the war so im not sure what the point of that is.

29-09-2022 03:34AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119617548#Comment_119617548

Looking up ? The place getting smashed

29-09-2022 04:00AM

https://www.irishtimes.com/politics/2022/09/28/ogorman-to-seek-supplementary-budget-of-850m-to-house-ukrainian-refugees/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

“In terms of the allocation, we will be going for a supplementary estimate for 2022 in the near future that would be primarily to address the very significant costs of accommodation for Ukrainians but will also involve the additional costs of extra people who sought international protection here in Ireland since the start of the year. I think the number is around €850 million. We are looking at that figure for 2022 and Minister McGrath also set aside a Ukraine fund for 2023 and my department no doubt will be drawing from that in the course of next year.”

The Department of Children has modelled three scenarios in relation to the potential costs in 2023. Under the first scenario, a lower number of refugees would need support, in the region of 55,000, by the end of 2023. This would cost €1 billion-€1.6 billion. Under the second scenario, a medium number of 65,000 refugees would be in need of such support by the end of 2023. This would cost €1 billion-€1.8 billion. Under the final, higher case scenario, 75,000 refugees could need support which would cost €1 billion-€2.2 billion.

The department has also said it planned to put a “focus on commissioning NGOs and not for profit organisations to provide services and supports particularly to vulnerable applicants”.

maninasia · 29-09-2022 05:17AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119678734#Comment_119678734

Is it 1 billuon or 2 billion ya need?

maninasia · 29-09-2022 05:20AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119677899#Comment_119677899

There are students living in cars and tents.

Prioritise our own first.

No free accomodation and meals for our own citizens. Disgraceful.

29-09-2022 07:18AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119675357#Comment_119675357

Not any more. That was reversed. Everyone on unemployment assistance or benefits have to collect it in person in their nominated post office once a week, showing their PSC and signing for the money. Only those on other benefits and those over 62 are having it paid directly into bank accounts.

DelaneyIn · 29-09-2022 07:26AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119678734#Comment_119678734

Boggles needs to get onto Rod and the IT straight away and explain to them that the Ukrainians don’t need all this taxpayers dough as they are in fact all working and paying the welfare of our own ne’er do wells.

It is all fine.

Boggles · 29-09-2022 07:32AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119678751#Comment_119678751

Like the media student in Galway who pretended to live out of her car so she could boost her TikTok profile?

Boggles · 29-09-2022 07:45AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119678904#Comment_119678904

Bit early for bullshít, no?

Again the figures which are from August are available from the CSO.

🤷‍♀️

TaurenDruid · 29-09-2022 11:06AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119678013#Comment_119678013

Would you say there are many of the approximately 500 Ukrainian students interested in 3rd level who wouldn't qualify for a SUSI grant - what with either having one parent here in a low paid job if they're working (we know the average wage thanks to the CSO), maybe another parent back in Ukraine on the wages that are supposed to be absolutely terrible there?

No, logically, there won't be many at all who would fail to qualify. A handful, if that. But making them go through a means test would delay the grant process for months for them, would add extra cost to the Exchequer (no point asking for documents if you can't read the language) and would delay the grants process for Irish students.

Seriously, lads - a bit of compassion can sometimes also be the most logical and efficient solution for everyone involved.

TaurenDruid · 29-09-2022 11:08AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119678751#Comment_119678751

There were (apparently) students living in cars and tents in 2017, 2018, 2019... what were you doing about them then?

No free accommodation and meals for our own citizens, but then our own citizens haven't had the **** blown out of their villages, towns and cities.

Disgraceful attitude, all right.

enricoh · 29-09-2022 11:17AM

An e850 million bill for accommodation alone for Ukrainians and new asylum seekers this year. Existing asylum seekers are another cherry on top. Overseas aid increased to 1.2 billion in the budget and half on the homeless list aren't Irish. It's all going swimmingly if yer a td worried about getting voted out at the next election n looking for an NGO gig. Has every government td reiterated that there's no cap? They have- jobs Oxo so!

https://www.thejournal.ie/ukraine-refugees-6-5879006-Sep2022/

The minister put the figure at €850 million for 2022, in terms of Ukraine and the additional arrivals under international protection

xxxxxxl · 29-09-2022 11:20AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119679881#Comment_119679881

So now its change the rules and that's not preferential treatment. lol. 🤪 No one is making anyone go through a means test. Its part of your application don't want to don't apply simple. Again language how are they going to be taught in the collage in the Irish curriculum.

xxxxxxl · 29-09-2022 11:20AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119679894#Comment_119679894

Yes what was the government doing then zip. No money apparently now were awash with money odd that.

Patrick2010 · 29-09-2022 12:11PM

Theres a couple of posters here trying to shut down discussion on the basis that if you haven't campaigned previously on various issues, mailed your TD etc you shouldn't be posting. Maybe we were all aware of these issues but the fact that the arrival of 60,000 extra people suddenly has severely affected the likes of school places, hospital waiting lists,GP access, accommodation etc has brought these issues to a critical point.

BTW On the access to third level places for Ukranians how do they calculate the points level they have so that they qualify?

Was the government right to put no limit on the amount of Ukrainian refugees in Ireland? Read OP

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