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How long until we see €2 a litre and will it push more to EV's faster?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,143 ✭✭✭Mr Q



    Must be dependent on the area then. 13.6% of all new cars sold in Germany in 2021 were EVs, it was about 8% here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,371 ✭✭✭MightyMunster


    Even when it was over 2/litre people were still idling cars while waiting to collect kids etc so obviously not enough of a disincentive. Didn't notice more people in my village walking kids to school instead of driving 600m.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,917 ✭✭✭BENDYBINN


    Marseille airport……….petrol 1.36

    Diesel 159

    todays prices



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,610 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    Not exactly worth the drive over on the ferry is it?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,226 ✭✭✭creedp


    How many of those people were dropping off on route to somewhere else? Obviously a % of people drive when it would be easier to walk/cycle but not sure it's appropriate to demomise everyone who drive their cars in a manner that some people consider inappropriate.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,913 ✭✭✭Danno


    I know plenty of folks who start work at 9.30am so they can drop their kids to school enroute to work.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,226 ✭✭✭creedp


    Our primary school brought forward start time to 8.45 to facilitate some parents dropping kids off prior to heading to work.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,155 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    GDY151


    I presume petrol and diesel will be rising at midnight tomorrow because of the carbon tax increase that is due to be announced in the budget tomorrow?

    Last year it was...

    A 60-litre tank of diesel will increase by €1.48 from midnight and a similar tank of petrol by €1.28.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,823 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    pretty nice to have coffee making facilities in the car, driving 800km without a break isn’t very clever though.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,266 ✭✭✭Juwwi


    The garages will probably round it up to an even fiver as well



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 51,539 ✭✭✭✭bazz26


    From today's budget:

    • Excise reduction of 21c per litre (petrol), 16c per litre (diesel) and 5.4c (marked gas oil) extended until 28 February, 2023
    • Carbon taxes on petrol and diesel will go up from €41 to €48.50 per tonne from 12 October resulting in an increase of just over 2c per litre of petrol and diesel. However, the Government says the price at the pumps should not go up because it is offsetting this with a reduction (from 2% per litre to zero) of the National Oil Reserves Agency (NORA) levy.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,900 ✭✭✭✭bear1


    Personally, I found that a very fair budget.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,250 ✭✭✭Thinkingaboutit


    That lithium ion battery cars might be the future cannot be assumed. Recent shocks such as post COVID and Ukraine War inflation and supply disruptions, suggest a mix of sources. Electric cars remain one source, and a way for wealthier or gadget obsessed people to get about (which electric cars were in the 1900s too). It isn't clear this country could support a heavy up take of electric car, particularly with only in Ireland restrictions on coal generations which other countries have dumped. The budget should by rights mean that 1.70 for petrol is a high to middling price (I filled yesterday just in case). Diesel might be difficult until greater refinery capacity comes on stream to replace that produced in Kaliningrad. That Toyota and other Japanese companies have focused on hydrogen should give pause to the electric only people. Any country with a substantial steel or nuclear industry should have the means to provide hydrogen efficiently.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,371 ✭✭✭MightyMunster


    Had focused you mean, aren't Toyota making an EV now where the wheels fall off. Hydrogen for cars is never going to compete with BEVs, running costs will be a multiple of BEVs. Then you have to figure out the logistics of transport and storage of all that gas with huge investment required. Every house and business in the western world already has electricity and we have spare capacity at night when people would.be charging.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,250 ✭✭✭Thinkingaboutit


    The Toyota electric car, the bZ SUV, is actually (or it looks like) a variant on they've made for years, having offered an electric RAV4 in California on accounts of incentives since the late 90s. Now a moderate sized Toyota SUV will now be offered in far more markets, including here. So we can avail of 'human-centric design.' Marketers have some great spoof.

    Speaking of California, and really anywhere with a high electric vehicle take-up, night rate electricity unit rates seem have an upward momentum regardless of war and inflation. Cleaner, efficient transport will work best if there's an avoidance of dogmatic thinking. Hybrid is now a proven solution (and in a way dates back to the advent of cars with the Owens Magnetic running an electric engine for propulsion and petrol for charging). Lithium ion only cars are not yet proven themselves in quite the same way as hybrid, although lastability with batteries has been tackled with the Nissan Leaf, for example.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,371 ✭✭✭MightyMunster


    From what I've seen and heard about hybrids they are more efficient in city driving but for anyone that does stints at 100-120kmh they're less efficient than a diesel. Good in their time but that time is past



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,250 ✭✭✭Thinkingaboutit


    Less efficient maybe (a diesel can be startlingly efficient for distances), but far cleaner, without even considering the number of ill maintained diesels (injectors maybe) puffing out black smoke. The post Ukraine war loss of refinery capacity for diesel still hasn't been made up. The internal combustion engine working with a tech like hybrid still has potential. Anyhow my brother is very happy with his Tesla 3 for trips to Cork or Galway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,139 ✭✭✭Damien360


    We have a Toyota CHR. Consistently gets 4.9L/100km on a long run. In local traffic the best it gets over a whole tank is 4.5L/100km. Beats the vast majority of diesels with that economy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,366 ✭✭✭mikeecho


    Did almost 790km this morn, in my oil burner.

    Got 49mpg , that's 4.8l/100km

    Was doing a pretty constant 125km where possible.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,139 ✭✭✭Damien360


    Had a Skoda superb last 2 cars and you had to be very gentle on the throttle to get those figures. Yes I’m aware the weight difference is huge compared to CHR. For a petrol car the economy of the ChR is hard to look past.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,900 ✭✭✭✭bear1


    We've a 2022 3008 1.2 turbo and it's a wanker on fuel. If I got 600km out of tank I'd be lucky.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,335 ✭✭✭Miscreant


    You actually got 5.7l/100km. You were calculating based on the American Gallon measurement (US gallons are smaller). Here is the correct calculator: Convert Liters per 100 Kilometers to Miles Per Gallon (UK) (calculateme.com) 🙂

    Still good for the distance travelled though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,297 ✭✭✭walterking


    Always good to read beyond the headline.

    Change is from Oct 12th

    At the same time, National Oil Reserve Agency levy which is almost the same as the carbon increase, will be dropped to zero.

    Thus no change from government side - just a moving about



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,366 ✭✭✭mikeecho


    Thanks. I just put the numbers into Google.

    I can never relate to l/100km or km/l.

    I have my car set to km, but the consumption is set to mpg.

    Mpg makes more sense to my brain as to what is good and what isn't.


    I could have just gone out and changed the display, but it's been a long day.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,335 ✭✭✭Miscreant


    I still think in MPG as well as it makes more sense to me. It'll take me a long time to change 🙂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,735 ✭✭✭✭R.O.R


    The A4 35Tdi SE S-Tronic I recently got out of had a long term average of 4.7l/100km - I put up about 3,500km during that time. That's just over 60mpg

    For the rush hour commute it was generally around 4.3l/100km - best was 3.8l/100km which is 74mpg. Stop/Start on the bits on non-motorway and the speed traffic was moving on the motorways did effect it, but the worst I had on a particularly heavy traffic day was 5.1.

    Similar commute in a current model Prius a few years ago was giving around 3.8L/100km on average over a few weeks, which is fantastic. Pales in to insignificance to the figures from a fully charged 330e - one way (circa 35km) I could get 2.1l/100km (134mpg!) and 2.7 for the return journey with no charging (still 104mpg so not to be sniffed at). That doesn't take in to account the charging costs or battery efficiency and I've no idea how to calculate that.

    I never did just a hybrid journey in the 330e to check that. In Recharge mode, it was 7.6L/100km one way, but I ended up with a full battery and could get the 2.1 the other way. The 320i I had for a while was averaging 7.2l/100km over the same journeys, so the PHEV is worth it even if you are doing 60-90km a day.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I drive Dublin to Sligo all the time in a Toyota RAV4 and get 18.5-19 km/l. So about 5.3l/100km. And it’s a decent size SUV, normally with some load, so pretty good. Would probably do better if I stuck at 100kph. Is that less efficient than a diesel SUV? Don’t know, but I’m happy enough

    don’t know I’d buy a new one now, simply because I’d go full electric instead. But they definitely continue to fill a gap



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,363 ✭✭✭Popoutman


    My longterm average in my car is hovering at about 11.7l/100, with individual journey peaks at maybe 17l/100, with one interesting hillclimb in Slovenia that gave me 22.4l/100. but I was keeping up to the superbikes that were ahead so that was no surprise.

    Oh well.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 771 ✭✭✭Sam the Sham


    OPEC reducing production by 2 million barrels per day.

    https://www.ft.com/content/64d35a40-5144-44f6-afca-c8b88c9d0ad5



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