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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,181 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    How about you be the one to try and convince the Ukrainians to give up and hand over large chunks of their country. Which 6 Irish counties do you want me to nominate to be handed over to Russia? I'll, start with Dublin and Wicklow. I'm sure they would hapiily take them as an alternative. You want peace so much, it's only appropriate you pay the price rather than suggest others pay it for you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,449 ✭✭✭nigeldaniel


    As previously reported...

    it is looking more and more like deliberate damage. Who would gain the most? Russia can now plead innocence whenever Europe accuses Moscow of energy blackmail, just adding that side note myself.

    Dan.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,042 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Agreed. All too polished and professional, seems more like it was made for TV propaganda.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,525 ✭✭✭Curious_Case


    I think he's a modern day dandy.

    There's a whiff of self-inventiveness about him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,946 ✭✭✭Beta Ray Bill


    I do not think "The West should stand by and do nothing"

    Russia is effectively a borderline criminal syndicate at this point, it is very corrupt from the ground up to the very top.

    The Russian people are not evil, but the government/organization that runs their country certainly is. And Evil must be opposed otherwise it will spread



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,489 ✭✭✭zv2


    He is ok when he is within his own professional bounds but now he has got the bit between his teeth and he's running too fast.

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,181 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,808 ✭✭✭StrawbsM


    Estonia moving tanks to the border is concerning.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,274 ✭✭✭EOQRTL


    Absolutely. Huge moment for Putin. I fear he's backed himself into a corner and the hawks who are desperate for him to be more forceful with the west are watching him for any weakness.

    Interesting times.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,042 ✭✭✭jmreire


    There are recent posts where Biden has stated beyond a reasonable doubt that he will support both Taiwan and Ukraine, and said that Putin should put it out of his mind completely about using nukes or chemical weapons in Ukraine. Furthermore, one of the state department spokesperson's went even further in his description of what would happen if Putin went nuclear, basically the US would destroy most of Russians military in Ukraine, and in a matter of days. I'd say for all his talk, Medvedev is fully aware of what will happen if he actually does use Nukes.



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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    NATO/ US wouldn't have to use nuclear weapons in response to create an equivalent amount of destruction straight back at Russia. I'd predict a massive conventional attack on military sites with a couple of small and remote nuclear attacks just to make the point that they are not scared to use them in response. Both as a warning to Russia and anyone else watching who has nuclear weapons and is thinking of invading somewhere.

    If Russia uses nuclear weapons then the US has to respond in kind, even if not matching the type of target. If the US doesn't use their weapons in that scenario then their entire point of having them is destroyed as any other opponent will then not be scared of the size and range of the US weapons.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,274 ✭✭✭EOQRTL


    A nasty nasty man. Wouldn't be surprised if he's the one sharpening the knives to oust Putin despite their buddy buddy persona.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,181 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    You are wrong. Gas bought from the Russians has long been considered environmentally positive as it's seen as far greener than coal or oil. It also has the benefit of being good for load following so you ca pile on stupid amounts of renewables, and when they fail, you just spin up your gas turbines. So overall gas is considered green, which you sould know since it's one of the technologices considered green by the EU and so qualifies for investment funds. At the same time the EU announced this, anti nuclear mongs were screaming that nuclear shouldn't have been included in the list of approved green technologies, even though it has done more to reduce CO2 emissions than all of Europes renewables put together.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,808 ✭✭✭StrawbsM


    Even the Australian’s are here

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,181 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,634 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    In fairness, the US would gain the most from NS1+2 being out of action, seeing as they are making money hand over fist selling us LNG.

    Russia is screwed without EU money for pipeline gas, so why would they bomb their own pipeline? Taking out NS just means that the energy blackmails no longer work, as there is now 0% chance of normalising* relations in exchange for much needed energy, whereas before NS was hit there was a <1% chance.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,946 ✭✭✭Beta Ray Bill


    Sure hope you guys are right regarding the nukes are/will not be used.

    It is amazing that post Gorbachev and the fall of the Berlin wall that the west did not extend the olive branch to Russia. If they had, and overseen a strong democracy come into place, all this could have been avoided. It's still blows my mind that this is actually happening in the here and now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,181 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    OMG, to think that awful cacophony will be the last approximation of music those walking fertiliser sacks will ever hear. The sheer cruelty of Putin's regime is awful.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,798 ✭✭✭✭DrumSteve


    That's the thing.

    Medvedev has to know this; they cannot expect to do this and expect nothing back.

    If anything what I took from what he said was basically to say was any of the west's support for Ukraine worthwhile, when no one cares about it?

    He can yammer on about the nukes all he wants, but the most dangerous people I've ever encountered very rarely if ever went on about how dangerous they were. They didn't need to.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,181 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui



    One of those genius Bush presidents ordered the unilateral destruction of the US arsenal of strategic nuclear weapons, while the Orcs kept theirs, so The US is restricted to big nuclear bangs.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,946 ✭✭✭Beta Ray Bill


    Agreed,

    But by the same token, surely they knew that Ukraine would not just roll over and give up. And their, under equipped and poorly trained army would not be able to beat a well trained Ukrainian Army (They've been prepping for this since 2014) that is being backed by the West.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,728 ✭✭✭storker




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,489 ✭✭✭zv2


    And all they have to do is secure the gates of the Kremlin with a few hundred troops and say 'Putty come out, we want to have a word with you.'

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,181 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,509 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Seems like everyone is getting their chess pieces in place.

    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 183 ✭✭LastFridayNight


    I do wonder if the mobilization is not actually for Ukraine at all. Because, without proper training and equipment, it's somewhat of a pointless exercise really. So I wonder if the real reason is to have an army ready for martial law at home, or a future war, either of which could be needed soon. Some folks here have been worrying about a nuclear strike. I don't see that happening in the short term; seems the threat of a strike is just as effective a bargaining tool for Russia than an actual strike, and with far less risk for them. So perhaps their plan is to annex those regions, then continue to threaten a nuclear strike but with increasing fervor and brinkmanship until Ukraine/the west backs down. Ordinary Russian's themselves will be increasingly nervous under that brinkmanship- martial law could be needed to keep order (a mobilization helps for that). Alternatively, the brinkmanship goes too far, and a bigger engagement with the West happens. A Russian mobilization is certainly needed for that.


    Anyway, it's all very unsettling. But Russia still has an out here- regime change. Their collective consciousness however does not think that's possible right now. Years of oppression has thought them that suffering for the greater glory without objection is the Russian way. The best we can hope for in the near term is that these mobilization protests grow to an unstoppable force. On this count, I will be rooting for the ordinary Russians brave enough to standup when their country (and the world) needs them the most.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,122 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    Has anyone read anything decent on how the weather is going to affect the war over the coming months?

    Going by this video, offensive operations are going to be very hard.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,509 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    I'd suspect Conscripts be sent to secure captured territory and control civilians in occupied zones while what remains of the professional Russian army reorganises and sent to the front.

    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭Hobgoblin11



    Ukrainian military have liberated Kupiansk-Vuzlovyi town on the east bank of Oskil river, - head of regional military-civilian administration

    "the east of the Oskil river is ours and west is yours" plan is not working for Russia

    Dundalk, Co. Louth



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,790 ✭✭✭greenpilot


    Notable that there are no air assets over or around the area at the moment. Transponders inactive?



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