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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,798 ✭✭✭✭DrumSteve


    Dmitry Medvedev, the hawkish deputy chairman of the security council of Russia, Putin ally, and former prime minister and president of Russia, has issued another warning over the use of nuclear weapons to the west via a long screed on Telegram, in which he specifically criticises US president Joe Biden and new British prime minister Liz Truss.

    In the course of the message, Medvedev says:

    I have to remind you again – for those deaf who hear only themselves. Russia has the right to use nuclear weapons if necessary, in predetermined cases, in strict accordance with the fundamentals of state policy in the field of nuclear deterrence. If we or our allies are attacked using this type of weapon. Or if aggression with the use of conventional weapons threatens the very existence of our state. The president of Russia spoke about this directly recently.

    In addition, we will do everything to prevent the appearance of nuclear weapons in our hostile neighbours. For example, in Nazi Ukraine, which is directly controlled today by Nato countries.

    He complains that Biden and Truss “demand that Russia remove its hand from its ‘nuclear button’” while accusing Truss of being “completely ready to immediately begin an exchange of nuclear strikes with our country”.

    He then goes on to say that he does not believe the west would come to Ukraine’s aid or retaliate if Russia did use nuclear weapons, saying:

    If the threat to Russia exceeds the established danger limit, we will have to respond. Without asking anyone’s permission, without long consultations. And it’s definitely not a bluff.

    Imagine that Russia is forced to use the most formidable weapon against the Ukrainian regime, which has committed a large-scale act of aggression, which is dangerous for the very existence of our state. I believe that Nato will not directly intervene in the conflict even in this situation.

    After all, the security of Washington, London, and Brussels is much more important for the North Atlantic Alliance than the fate of Ukraine, which no one needs, even if it is abundantly supplied with various weapons

    So Dmitry says, you're bluffing we're not bluffing...

    What world is this jackass living in.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,417 ✭✭✭Field east


    Would not be surprised if the bus was diverted to Sorcha for a dirty weekend or maybe it just went around the block - knowing Russia



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,842 ✭✭✭✭josip


    Agree, they were very much in "Dear Leader" territory in the last clip. Is that a quirk of the translation? Sometimes an innocuous term in a native language has no direct equivalent in another and when translated ends up sounding weird. Or are they one step away from going full Lord Voldemort.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,033 ✭✭✭roosterman71


    We've not heard much from the orthodox church leader of late, any updates from that head banger... all okay with his 'holiness'?

    Wasn't the head honcho splattered on here a few pages back telling all those mobilised that if they die for their country, they'd be looked after in heaven and other such mumbo jumbo. He basically gave the mobilisation and possibility of certain death the thumbs up



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,586 ✭✭✭rogber


    The move away from nuclear was largely due to fear of nuclear accidents, which is why it was sped up after Fukushima. At no point did any German government says let's buy fossil fuels from Russia because they're good for the environment.

    But the fact you use the phrase "climate panic" suggests you're another one of these white middle aged men who thinks the whole thing is a hoax, so I'd expect you to support people like Peterson.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    So who should they send - the 1 million skangers hanging around Moscow on the dole according to yer one? Or the various ethnic minorities that aren't really Russian in their eyes?

    Yes no doubt some of these lads will be returning soon enough minus limbs or worse. But they've made a choice at the end of the day, out of a sense of duty or fear or for a bit of craic and adventure and they may live with the consequences. No tears shed here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,919 ✭✭✭GM228


    With NS1 down (and NS2 having never opened) where is whatever Russian gas is actually currently coming towards Europe coming via, the Yamal-Europe pipeline, the Urengoy-Pomary-Uzhgorod pipeline?



  • Posts: 7,946 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Sorry, missed that... some numpty. Would like to see other Christian churches distance themselves from him, though Franky made some 'both' comments recently, so I'll not hold my breath.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    What a strange post.

    What demography do you belong to, pray tell?

    Ze Germans made it very clear that moving away from nuclear and coal was part of their brave new world plan to be carbon neutral, which would be facilitated by natural gas in the interim. From where would this natural come you ask? We all know now.

    And was funding the Eco ninnies that were demanding a move from fossil fuels and into Russias arms? We all know now



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,549 ✭✭✭Raoul Duke III


    😮

    'welcome to the glorious Russian army; now go out and buy your own equipment and medical supplies because we've got nothing'



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    This is only partly true I think, in that Germany and Europe in general is a lot more stable in terms of geology & earthquakes than parts of the world like Japan. So the risk of nuclear accidents was amplified by those opposed to nuclear for other reasons and who have a Green Tech agenda to push. Our Greens and anti nuclear movement have responsibility too. Green Tech is big business now, never forget that - there's a lot of money to be made developing & installing renewables. And when big business is involved, there's not much difference between the ethics of the oil &gas industries and the ethics of Green Tech. All down to the bottom line and dividends to shareholders - whatever goes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,586 ✭✭✭rogber


    I partly agree with you, at least in the sense that German anxiety about nuclear accidents was probably bigger than it needed to be.

    As for green tech and renewables: these ARE the future of energy and fossil fuels will be left behind. So of course it's a business too and plenty of people will make money off it, and they do have an agenda. In itself I don't think this is bad. Yes it's unfortunate that in the short term it meant turning to Russia as one solution. But everyone is wise after the event. Let's remember that at the start of this year countries like France and even Ukraine themselves were in denial about Russian invasion plans and were telling the US to stop spreading panic. So I think it's very disingenuous for people like Peterson to basically say the green lobby are to blame for all this, especially when it's clear that part of his agenda is to undermine climate change as a human caused event



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,586 ✭✭✭rogber


    Seems Putin set to make the annexation of the Ukrainian territories "official" on Friday. Then we'll find out just want that means in terms of nuclear threats and attacks on "Russian" territory. It's the put up or shut up moment



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,842 ✭✭✭✭josip


    Small gains being made north of Lyman

    Plus hard to know whether it was tanks, SPA or missiles that were responsible for this


    Although the land immediately to the east of the Oskil river is shown as Russian held, I get the feeling many parts of that are contested.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,489 ✭✭✭zv2


    Mikhail Khodorkovsky-

    "Russia is most likely the first and only country in the world where people flee not because someone invaded their country, but because they invaded another country."

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,489 ✭✭✭zv2


    I disagree with almost all of what he says. Gas from Russia is because of businessmen making 'good' deals, it was not an attempt to save the planet. Also he says Putin is not a Hitler. He is.

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,489 ✭✭✭zv2


    Well, everybody hogs the 'save the planet' routine but the reality of gas deals is that it is profitable for business people. They'd have done it one way or the other.

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,140 ✭✭✭Gregor Samsa


    Speculation that Russia will combine Crimea, Donetsk, Luhansk, Kherson and Zaporizhzhia into a single Federal District after the sham referenda.

    Dmitry Rogozin, the former head of Russian space agency Roscosmos, is rumored to be appointed Presidential Envoy for the fake District.

    Rogozin was the guy who came out with multiple crazy threats earlier in the year, like mocking up a video depicting leaving American astronaut Mark T. Vande Hei abandoned alone in space, and claimed the sanctions against Russia could cause the International Space Station to fall out of orbit. He was also a former Deputy Prime Minister and ambassador to NATO.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,489 ✭✭✭zv2


    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Posts: 1,886 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Yeah the green message is nothing but a box tick



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,489 ✭✭✭zv2


    "A large number of tanks and armored personnel carriers are transported on Estonian roads to the border with Russia"


    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,334 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    They likely won't arrive home to the same fanfare

    And as our ship pulled into Circular Quay

    I looked at the place where me legs used to be

    And thanked Christ there was nobody waiting for me

    To grieve, to mourn, and to pity


    But the band played Waltzing Matilda

    As they carried us down the gangway

    But nobody cheered, they just stood and stared

    Then they turned all their faces away




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,237 ✭✭✭mcmoustache


    Peterson would blame an asteroid strike on wokeness. It's his whole schtick.

    Europe got hooked on Russian gas because it was cheap and seemingly reliable. There's not much more to it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,042 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Believe me, cnockbui, being an ethnic Russian ( or ethnic Russian supporter ) in that part of the world is not really a good idea.......People are under the mistaken impression that everyone who lives in Russia is actually "Russian" , and indeed while citizens from all the republics have a Russian passport, ethnic Russians are not popular everywhere, and especially in the Caucasus region.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,798 ✭✭✭✭DrumSteve


    Just an absolute great song, heard Liam Clancys version a couple of years ago. Might put it in now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,849 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout



    Being interviewed by Piers Corbyn too, who has the exact same schtick.

    Jordan Peterson is not on the level when he talks about Russia. This is a man who has spent extensive periods in both Russia and its ally Serbia (seeking treatment for issues that can't have been helped by going on a quack diet recommended by his daughter). He's basically no different to the posters who show up in this thread trying to shift the blame on to everyone else, apart from Russia, for this conflict.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,489 ✭✭✭zv2




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,042 ✭✭✭jmreire


    The main msg seems to be " Don't antagonize the population.....at all costs." And then the usual who is to blame part, and the recommendation that anyone "abusing" the call up procedures ( IE trying to achieve their call up quotas, by fair means or foul) be sent directly to the front lines. They are going round in ever decreasing regulatory circle's, until they will eventually vanish up their own asse's.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,042 ✭✭✭jmreire


    And that my friend, could well be the very last thing they ever did....🙂



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,946 ✭✭✭Beta Ray Bill


    Russia's Medvedev raises spectre of nuclear strike on Ukraine

    https://www.breakingnews.ie/ukraine/update-1-russias-medvedev-raises-spectre-of-nuclear-strike-on-ukraine-1368965.html

    Taken from that article, basically they think that Russia using Nuclear weapons in Ukraine will not result in a retaliatory strike from the NATO

    I think the most concerning thing here aside from the fact that a nuclear weapon could be used is the fact that , if that were to happen (A Nuclear Power uses WMD against a non-Nuclear Power) it could result in a huge number of countries attempting to develop Nuclear weapons.

    Russia knows now it cannot win in the Ukraine in a conventional sense, their backs are to the wall. I think the only hope now of this ending "without incident" (term used lightly) is for Putin to be removed. Very few Russian leaders have voluntarily taken the retirement package.



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