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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,185 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Sorry for hitting your national ego nerve so hard there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,575 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Russia will never hand back the annexed territories. This mobilisation is clear he doesn't want to. The question is how much will ukraine take back by force.


    The timing of the Kharkiv offensive was so important because without it Russia would have held a kharkiv referendum also. I'm not sure how far Ukraine can go but take Kherson city seems very doable along with the remainder of kharkiv, the north of Luhansk and the northern pocket of Donetsk oblast. It might not take long before they've liberated parts of these annexed territories.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,163 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Oh, I can't get over how great that Eurasian Economic Space is. It's almost as good as the Russian version of NATO - the CSTO. Only the other week, Armenia invoked its mutual defence clause against Azeri aggression and the Russian army came right in to drive the aggressors back, oh wait...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,377 ✭✭✭paul71


    You are the one purporting them as evidence not I. You don't even read them, you simple google a headline and post. You display no depth of knowledge in your points and have been shown to repeat long debunked arguments. This speaks to your credibility and you are pushing flawed opinion based on nothing in the hope that you are not challenged.


    Tough luck I am not going to allow propaganda to go unchallenged.


    As for NAZI propaganda, that's is a laughable assertion from someone incapable of debate and has nothing else to offer. If you wish to know my political persuasion it is as about dead center as it gets, I do however despise fools who fall for either the hard right or hard left.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,377 ✭✭✭paul71


    We both hit the same nerve Cnoc 😉


    BTW it does also go to the heart of the Ukrainian issue. You moved to an Island that always produced more then enough food to feed its population yet it had no food security as the food was used to feed a neighbour while we starved, not one famine as many outsiders believe but continuously over 250 about years.


    In a similar fashion Ukraine in spite of being the richest grain producer on the planet starved to feed a neighbour. Food security is not only about growing enough its about delivering it to your population as both Ireland and Ukraine well know.



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  • Posts: 634 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Sky news

    Putin 'rejects commanders' calls to withdraw from Kherson'Russian President Vladimir Putin has reportedly refused to withdraw troops from Kherson at the request of military chiefs, the New York Times reports.

    The newspaper claims Mr Putin has become more directly involved in planning Russia's war in Ukraine, which today entered a seventh month.

    This has created "tensions", according to unnamed US officials.

    It is reported that some commanders have recommended Mr Putin withdraw troops from Kherson in southern Ukraine.

    Defence forces have made a series of gains in the region this month, and several key bridges have fallen following Ukrainian strikes.

    A referendum on joining the Russian Federation is being held in Kherson until 27 September.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 696 ✭✭✭Housefree


    Energy security is about having enough for your countries needs, they have massive oil & gas reserves. Your talking about selling excess to other countries, yeah it will have serious implications for their budget not being able to sell gas/oil but that is a different issue.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,790 ✭✭✭greenpilot


    You can sense the enthusiasm....




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,785 ✭✭✭Homelander


    Starting to sound like Hitler and his obsession with holding ground and positions at terrible cost to the army.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,919 ✭✭✭GM228


    When you can't sell your most critical asset you can't really afford the upkeep then to keep your own infrastructure working, but it doesn't matter because when the economy tanks none of your people will have any money to buy and use that energy security waiting in abundance.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,153 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Glad Iran regret giving Russia drones.


    Just not glad of the damage they are doing.


    Idiots gave Russia 100s of them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 696 ✭✭✭Housefree


    Iran regrets Ukraine’s decision to downgrade ties over the reported supply of Iranian drones

    They don't regret giving the drones



  • Posts: 2,015 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    You cant help spew russian misinformation every day can you

    What you need to do is understand Russias involvement in Ukraine using hybdrid warfare developed by Gerasimov,also known as Gerasimov doctrine.

    Sending in goons to destabilise the regions to have an escuse to invade or make an fake referendum have been part of Putins playbook since the invasion of Georgia in 2008.





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 696 ✭✭✭Housefree


    So a documentary made by a French women is now considered Russian propaganda, Putin really is the bond villain /s

    In reality it's an objective documentary with a honest narrative that you don't agree with



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,759 ✭✭✭weisses


    I agree .. Russia had, according to then NATO chairman Jaap de hoop scheffer assurances that Ukraine would not be joining NATO, but in 2008 during a summit then president Bush surprised everyone stating Ukraine will be allowed to join the pact .... This resulted in Putin being properly pissed. And now we see the result.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,137 ✭✭✭Akabusi


    Please post proof of the above.

    BTW Johnson isn't on the continet.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    Since when does considering a neighboring country to be culturally and ethnically significant to you give you a right to invade them?

    If they had the internet back in '20, lads like you would be on it stanning for the black and tans. Desperate levels of cope going on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling



    Jaap de hoop scheffer.

    Nato’s promise to one day admit Ukraine into the fold was an “ugly compromise”, but was not to blame for the threat of conflict with Russia, the military’s alliance’s former secretary-general has said. Jaap de Hoop Scheffer, who as head of Nato declared in 2008 that Ukraine “will become a member”, told the Financial Times that Vladimir Putin’s demands for the alliance to abandon that pledge was a false pretext for the Russian president’s “revanchist crusade”.

    "Jaap de Hoop Scheffer, who as head of Nato declared in 2008 that Ukraine “will become a member”

    This too at the NATO summit in 2008

    NATO announced its support for the territorial integrity, independence and sovereignty of Armenia, Azerbaijan, Georgia and Moldova



  • Posts: 2,015 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    No its a product of Russias interference in Ukraine by using hybrid warfare,Einstein

    Ask yourself why Wagner group,night wolves,Russian orthodox army,russian national unity and unmarked spetznas was doing there and maybe you are able to see the big picture



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,377 ✭✭✭paul71


    Yes, a Frenchwoman can produce Russian propaganda. Just as an Irishman Lord Haw Haw produced NAZI propaganda, just as you (Irish?) regurgitate and spew Russian propaganda.



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  • Posts: 2,015 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    It doesnt matter if you have the biggest reserves in the world if theres no infrastructure in place

    1/3 of Russias GDP is based on selling oil and gas

    And these are pipelines thats been around since the soviet era going to Europe.

    You obviously cant see the bigger picture




  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,327 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Ten years ago I knew a Ukrainian woman and I asked about her country, as you do, as I had little knowledge of it. I knew way more about Russia and the USSR as I found the place interesting. Anyhoo, she described that part of the country like the North of Ireland on steroids or words to that effect. She had Russian relatives on one side of her family and in the rest of Ukraine that was pretty much a so what, but in Donbas it was far more polarised along nationalist lines on both sides. When later on post 14 I read of the conflicts there it didn't exactly come as a surprise. Nor did stories of sectarian nastiness on both sides*.

    Have Ukrainian nationalists been vicious pricks in Donbas and with government collusion on top? Bloody right they have been. Did they have a "nazi" problem? Yes they did. Our media especially the easily wound up media looking for the rise of their Far Right boogyman were only too quick to report on it. Until this war when they got collective amnesia. However the Russians also have a "nazi" problem, also widely reported and Russia was supporting their vicious pricks in Donbas.

    Most of all it was Russia who invaded Ukraine, not the other way around. It was Russia who sought to cut the head off the Ukrainian government(where nazi support had dwindled so much they couldn't even get a single seat). It was Russia who wanted to install a mewling puppet like Lukashenko. It was Russia who went for a landgrab to increase their land, resources and coastline. It was Russia who has caused the refugee crisis and the tens of thousands of injuries and deaths, not least among their own. And it's Russia that continues to double down on causing more death and mayhem.

    There can be two sides in any neighbour dispute. Right up until the moment when one neighbour decides to kick in the door and try burning down the other neighbour's house.


    *I also noticed something else around that time. I knew a few Russians, Ukrainians and Belarusians living here and they hung out together. Pre 2014. Post 2014 that started to change with the Ukrainians fading out and the Belarusians and Russians together in their own group. Another thing I noticed as a general thing was both Russians and Belarusians were much more prickly about any criticisms of their respective countries. An odd mix of pride and insecurity, not unlike us actually. Ukrainians were far more open about their internal problems, particularly corruption. They were also generally more "liberal" and "western" in outlook. Now this was of course a small sample size and they'd be in their 40's now so an older generation who remembered the 90's, which was a watershed for many across the defunked Soviet Union, but I did find it interesting. Especially now with the benefit of hindsight.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,728 ✭✭✭storker


    @Run Forest Run

    "The Russians are highly unlikely to tuck tail and scamper away like the yanks in Vietnam, because they will have to live with the consequences of that decision in their backyard for the rest of time."

    What consequences? Ukraine wasn't threatening Russia. The only consequence, as @Wibbs points out, is Ukraine looking prosperous and progressive comapared to backward, stifled, piss-poor Russia. In a scenario where Russia has finally been driven from Ukrainian soil it wouldn't get any say in what alliances or trading blocs Ukraine joined, or how Ukraine ran its society or its economy. The Ukrainians could have gay marriages on the border with the guests mooning the Russian border guards if they wanted. The Russians could bitch and moan all they liked, and they could invade again if they fancied it, but future Ukraine would be a lot more ready for them than even 2022 Ukraine was.

    Russia has a lot of growing up and catching up to do, and has no right to expect other nations to fall in line with its national macho delusion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 478 ✭✭Run Forest Run


    Where did I say Russia had the right to invade Ukraine?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 478 ✭✭Run Forest Run


    Where does "right" come into it though?

    We know that powerful nations like to exert their influence/dominance over other (usually weaker) nations.

    That's the reality of the world we are living in. And Russia are not in some exclusive club in this regard either. They're just the latest one to start flexing their muscles. And of course, the west knew that Russia might very well take this action. It's not like it came as a complete surprise, as they have been warning people about it for almost 3 decades now.

    Many experts warned that this situation was brewing for quite a long time actually. Historians and analysts will probably debate if more could have been done to prevent it, for many years to come.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,185 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    If this were true, it would suggest that they plan to exterminate the Ukrainian population.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,728 ✭✭✭storker


    In the scenario I was referring to, Russia would have tried to exert its influence/dominence and failed, so what Russia would and wouldn't be prepared to accept wouldn't amount to a fart in a high wind.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,728 ✭✭✭storker




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,377 ✭✭✭paul71


    I have my own insights having lived in Czech republic for several years, There were many Ukrainian immigrants there and as with your experience very open about talking about their issues. Northern Ireland on steroids is apt but I always got the feeling that it was due to malevolent external Russian interference.

    Most Ukrainians (perhaps all) I met could also speak Russian, there as no (major) religious divide and intermarriage was commonplace (in fact there is a greater religous divide in Western Ukraine between Rutheran and Ortodox). Notwithstanding the fact that Northern Ireland does not have the language divide, the two communities in the North did not intermarry to the same extent, and culturally (mainly sport) the divide was greater. The singular difference appears to me is that the British government do not seek to divide in order to plunder the assets through associated criminal enterprise, and arm the loyalist community to that end nor have they sought to extend the conflict or interfere in Irish democratic process. So yes it was Northern Ireland on steriods but due more to the intentions of the Moscow government then local intentions.


    In addition I have a cousin married to a Belarussian man and living here. He is from a collective farm family, one of those families who were legally enslaved by the Belarussian state under the law reintroducing the system of Serfdom. He has been saving for several years in order to bribe the collective farm manager to legally release his younger brother from the Serfdom.



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