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Connacht Team Talk Thread VI - Some like it TOH

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 850 ✭✭✭ShineyShiney


    Is thornberry injured?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,279 ✭✭✭ClanofLams


    Yeah Thornbury and Oliver injured. The 42 reported yesterday Connacht were hopeful he would fly out later this week but today say himself and Oliver are "ruled out" so I presume he won't be flying out now. Jack Carty is expected to fly out later in the week along with few other players to replace those departing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,511 ✭✭✭Wegians89


    From my understanding both Thornbury and oliver were always out of this weeks match but they were hoping to fly the pair and carty Out for the second game. Would make sense considering the emerging Ireland players will be leaving. Would also expect a prop and 9 to fly out with the other 3



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,279 ✭✭✭ClanofLams


    Hopefully. The 42 seems definitive about it.

    "Lock Gavin Thornbury, who captained the side in their dismal 36-10 loss to Ulster on Saturday, and flanker Conor Oliver have also been ruled out, but it’s expected that Carty, who underwent wrist surgery during the summer, will link up with them."

    Pete Wilkins: Adam Byrne's omission from South Africa tour 'no big story' (the42.ie)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,051 ✭✭✭Zeugnis


    A dismal performance and two of our key players get injured in the opening game. Hard to imagine a worse start. Also finding it difficult to swallow Wilkins line on Adam Byrne. I don't want to start whinging, given that we have seventeen URC games to play I don't know that I have the stamina, but...



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 42,966 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    This emerging Ireland players thing is stupid. They get much better experience playing URC, Champions Cup or even Challenge cup matches.

    Who else does this type of thing?

    We have an Ireland A for off-season games. That's enough in my opinion.

    This is really hurting smaller clubs who don't have the depth that bigger clubs do.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 5,416 Mod ✭✭✭✭Lost Ormond


    The standard of rugby for provinces in URC, Champions Cup, some challenge cup games may be better but this gets some players playing irish system, which could help for world cup especially for squad players. Farrell and coaches dont see 1 ireland A game occassionally as good enough. We dont have them regularly enough.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,279 ✭✭✭ClanofLams


    That’s on the IRFU though, we could have been having them much more frequently.

    To suddenly bring 35 players away on a tour in the second season of a new league which has altered schedule and made a deliberate aim of not clashing with international windows is a ridiculous move.

    Also according to Bernard Jackman, they wanted to bring a second string, those on the fringes of the Irish squad but there was no communication with the provinces about it, the provinces were unhappy with it so it ended up with this mish mash of a squad which includes a lot of guys miles from the senior squad. So the tour isn’t even serving the intended purpose.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 42,966 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    If they want to have these games then it should be done when there is no competitive club rugby. It's only fair to smaller clubs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,395 ✭✭✭macslash


    Lads, missed the game on Saturday. Saw the YouTube highlights and read a bit about it. But listening to the Craggy Rugby Pod yesterday they basically said a few were miles off.

    Who was bad? And any good spots other than Murphy? Thanks.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,864 ✭✭✭realhorrorshow


    I think a better question is who was good, thought we were pretty woeful across the board. Paul Boyle is one who concerns me a bit, as he set such a high bar in 20-21 but hasn't reached that level for quite a while now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,279 ✭✭✭ClanofLams


    I thought Dylan Tierney Martin made a decent impact and his line out throwing looked solid enough which I thought may be his biggest challenge.

    It’s hard to tell though when guys come on 25 down or whatever, seems like some of the intensity is gone out of the game. Hopefully it’s a closer affair when he comes on this week.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,051 ✭✭✭Zeugnis


    I agree that DTM was good, his throws were good (Heff inevitably overthrows/goes crooked at least 1/2 per game) and made an impact in the loose. He plays without fear and could become an important player for us.

    Quite liked Byron Ralston, he seemed confident and decent in defense. Wootton made a key contribution to our only try, good decision on the pass after making a lot of ground. If himself and Byrne aren't injured, I don't understand why they're not going to SA.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,044 ✭✭✭connachta


    Don't get what everybody have against Porch

    His final action in our 22 showed how much quality he has

    not perfect maybe but good player

    we didn't lose this on on the backline but with forwards. Out-powered.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,511 ✭✭✭Wegians89


    Potential team for the weekend:

    Dooley DTM Bealham

    Murphy Fifita

    Prendergast SHL Boyle

    Blade Hawkshaw

    Bundee Farrell

    Porch Hansen Ralston

    Would personally like to see DTM start, nothing to lose really. Haven’t been impressed by Heff.

    Would like to see SHL in for butler or Boyle.

    Would like to see Hawkshaw start at 10 and get The minutes out of Blade while you can.

    Want to see Mack get a run at 15



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,279 ✭✭✭ClanofLams


    Hadn't realised how short they are at 7 bar Oliver. Could really do with Óisín McCormack breaking through this season. I would like to see Niall Murray start. Fifita's heft is probably useful but he looks very average generally.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,051 ✭✭✭Zeugnis


    Agree on Fifita and also think there's a huge upside to Murray. Before Oliver made the 7 jersey his own, Jarred butler was playing there a lot. I assume that's what we'll see in SA (does anyone know if SHL has played at 7?). Is it too much to hope that McCormack could be brought out next week as part of the reinforcements?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,511 ✭✭✭Wegians89


    SHL was playing 7 in NZ last season, started there against castre and came on there last weekend. Think he’s more open side than 8 tbh



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,663 ✭✭✭FACECUTTR


    Yes that's where I see him playing. Butler will be covering 8. We're still short an 8. could Murphy do a job at 8 ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,051 ✭✭✭Zeugnis


    I don't think there's any bad feeling towards Porch, quite the contrary. Some months ago we discussed that he could improve in defense, and he does need to tighten up on his discipline, but broadly speaking he's probably been our most consistent back three performer for the last couple of years, let's leave Mack aside as he's only been here a year. He was one of the few decent performers on Saturday, but that was noted up the thread...

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,051 ✭✭✭Zeugnis


    Team v Stormers: 

    Number/Name/Caps ( * denotes uncapped)

    15. Oran McNulty (9)

    14. John Porch (60)

    13. Byron Ralston (1)

    12. Tom Farrell (80)

    11. Mack Hansen (14)

    10. Conor Fitzgerald (54)

    9. Caolin Blade (151)

    1. Denis Buckley (209)

    2. Dylan Tierney-Martin (7)

    3. Finlay Bealham (174)

    4. Josh Murphy (1)

    5. Niall Murray (36)

    6. Cian Prendergast (31)

    7. Jarrad Butler (95)

    8. Paul Boyle (74)

    16. Dave Heffernan (166)

    17. Peter Dooley (1)

    18. Jack Aungier (32)

    19. Oisín Dowling (25)

    20. Shamus Hurley-Langton (1)

    21. Kieran Marmion (210)

    22. Bundee Aki (118)

    23. David Hawkshaw (1)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,279 ✭✭✭ClanofLams


    Good to see Tierney Martin getting a start, pity he is due away on that tour next week but enough said about that at this stage.

    Farrell Ralston seems like a combo that will either click or be disastrous, hopefully the former….

    Stormers have gone with six two split on their bench, will need big impact from ours to get anything out of this.



  • Subscribers, Paid Member Posts: 45,283 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    thats quite a beefy and mobile 4 - 8, hopefully they can ensure speed of ball as that 11-15 can do real damage.

    The bookies -10 in favour of a depleted stormers team is a bit generous in my opinion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,819 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    Connacht are playing a reserve side. They should be very competitive. There should be no excuses.



  • Posts: 2,519 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I wouldn't say reserve side; it's not entirely dissimilar to the squad that played a lot of last season's URC for them.

    They're still calling on Marvin Orie, Evan Roos, Paul De Wet, Manie Libbok and Senatla on the wing who looked sensational at times last season. They've included some promising enough youngsters and some guys from their sevens side.

    Obviously not full strength, but not a reserve team either. They'll be formidable at home.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,864 ✭✭✭realhorrorshow


    Stormers are more than the sum of their parts to be fair. But yes, would expect a competitive showing at the least.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,511 ✭✭✭Wegians89


    Be interesting to see how DTM and McNulty go. Two positions that are really there for the taking if they can stand up. Looking forward to seeing murphy and Murray together but not sure if they’re heavy enough against South Africans. Would have thought Bundee starts



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,279 ✭✭✭ClanofLams


    Poor kicking from Fitzgerald costly



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,414 ✭✭✭testtech05


    Butler saved our bacon there after some poor kicks by fitz



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,308 ✭✭✭✭Utopia Parkway


    You have no chance when you make basic mistakes like that from McNulty.



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