Increase to minimum wage

14-09-2022 07:27PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119615927#Comment_119615927

With good, strong, unions.

Mike3549 · 14-09-2022 07:41PM

If you have a group of people in a company getting minimum wage, a group of MW+50cents per hour, another group of mw +€1; mw+ €2,.... Once the min wage goes up, the other groups will start to demand an increase, cos their wage is getting closer to mw. I know i would do that.

Danno · 14-09-2022 08:34PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119616420#Comment_119616420

Do you think then minimum wage should rise 40% to compensate?

The real problem here is governments interference in businesses driving up costs across the board, and the way they are interfering is having the hardest results on what are essentials.

Carbon taxes are a prime example. A west of Ireland company producing goods such as diary and delivering them to Dublin shops will pay through the nose on road fuels, road tolls, motor tax, insurance and carbon taxes. A west of France producing similar goods can send them to Dublin Airport via flight with no carbon taxes paid on that haul. Minimum wages in France are lower.

Ireland is being hollowed out. Exporters into Ireland are at an advantage.

xxxxxxl · 14-09-2022 11:59PM

Easier thing to do is Get rid of zero hour contracts, 15-20hr minimum for part time employee says what amount. None of this being taken off the roster till you quit for not coming in to work 1 hour after they ring you.

Senature · 15-09-2022 12:10AM

I agree that an 18 year old deserves the same pay for the same work. Also that workers should be paid a fair wage. The point I was making that it seems a very high legal minimum pay rate to set for a completely inexperienced junior worker, and unnecessary when they do not have to cover the cost of housing or rising energy bills.

Comparitively, people who have years of experience at their job should not be paid minimum wage. They should have legally enforceable incremental pay increases.

People tend to ignore how all these things are connected. All increases - energy prices, wages, materials etc feed into businesses charging higher prices, which everyone complains about. People talk about rip off Ireland, and a better lifestyle elsewhere, but those countries also have lower average incomes.

xxxxxxl · 15-09-2022 12:30AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119620090#Comment_119620090

I don't agree on the 18 year-old aspect. May work for supermarket even then they won't be as efficient as someone who is there 3 years for example. Vast majority of jobs I have worked in are tied to performance. You not going to get a young person out of collage perform the same as someone 20 years in a job like accountancy, Legal, Most of IT bar entry level stuff. The biggest thing you can do is negotiate on salary and not take what they offer minimum. IT for example come with a problem solving aspect that cannot really be taught. You need to think of points of failure what is the most lightly they will still be using in house tools for that until they develop a strategy and knowledge of systems to know what the most lightly point of failure is. That's just a hardware side. Software is way more tricky, college grad could code 2 pages, Experienced person half a page.

Senature · 15-09-2022 12:36AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119620149#Comment_119620149

I think you misunderstood me. I said the same pay for the same work. One worker who performs better than another, should be paid better.

Mrs OBumble · 15-09-2022 01:58AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119620055#Comment_119620055

Not all employees want to work 15-20 hours/week though. Especially students, many prefer fewer hours - and it's better for industry too, if a broader range of young people get the chance to develop work attitudes and skills while still studying. Insisting on 15+ hours/week would cut some potential workers out of the workforce.

xxxxxxl · 15-09-2022 02:10AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119620241#Comment_119620241

I said "employee " says how long. 15 hours is what 3 hours in 5 days. You could just work the weekend for example. obviously you can hammer out an agreement we have slot here here and here.

Red Silurian · 15-09-2022 11:57AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119619126#Comment_119619126

I think it should be linked to inflation, which would be a measure of all prices being increased. If inflation hit 40% would you be happy with a 7.6% increase? At the moment inflation is running at about 10% so 7.6 is a lot better than 0

Red Silurian · 15-09-2022 11:58AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119618852#Comment_119618852

And you say that if wages were to be kept so would all these businesses?

It's true what you say, but blaming it on the minimum wage is a bit short sighted

15-09-2022 12:02PM

Let's be honest the minimum wage isn't the issue here and won't be the reason businesses go to the wall. That'll be down to the profiteering of wholesale energy companies worldwide taking advantage of the desperate situation in Ukraine. The working poor need to be looked after here or else things will be worse. Why would you work if you were better off on the dole. That's what the minimum wage is currently like.

Red Silurian · 15-09-2022 12:14PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119621312#Comment_119621312

Exactly. Companies will go to the wall because of other, bigger, companies... Nothing to do with the minimum wage

Wanderer78 · 15-09-2022 12:25PM

you can understand why some are saying a re-nationalisation of our energy markets is now needed, but i just cant see that happening, theres blatant gouging going on here....

malinheader · 15-09-2022 02:33PM

How can anyone survive on minimum wage without benefits of some kind topping up there income.

Alot of businesses cannot get staff because the benefits you get when you're on reduced hours or not working at all are alot more lucrative than someone working full time.

A fair hourly rate for a fair days work is needed.

15-09-2022 03:18PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119621400#Comment_119621400

It never should of been privatised. Along with Telecom Eireann it's been a total failure. Thank god they didn't get away with implementing the water charges. That would have been a total fiasco.

Danno · 15-09-2022 04:20PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119621293#Comment_119621293

Has it occurred to you and by extension anyone on the left that wages are an input cost into providing goods and services. If costs go up so does the price the consumer pays. As prices increase, our competitiveness becomes weaker and our trade surplus becomes weakened or even reversed. A country (like Ireland which is low on natural resources) that imports more than it exports is haemorrhaging money.

15-09-2022 04:38PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119621400#Comment_119621400

The most vocal voices calling for nationalisation are the likes of PBP and I'm not sure there's ever been a problem that (according to PBP) that can't be solved by a bit of the auld nationalisation

15-09-2022 04:41PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119622586#Comment_119622586

I'm not sure how a re-nationalisation would work or could work. The genie is out of the bottle now.

It shouldn't have been privatised in the first place though.

16-09-2022 10:39AM

Will Every one elses wages go to by the same amount.

Say someone in the a job 3 years and is on 11.50 euro per HR and a new start comes in on 11.30 per hour in January.

Will the person on 11.50 not get any increase. ??

Red Silurian · 16-09-2022 11:33AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119622515#Comment_119622515

I think many on the right like yourself, are blowing this out of proportion, the proposed increase of 70c will cost a business an extra €27.30 a week for a full time minimum wage employee, it's absolutely peanuts for most employers in that sector, plus as we know low paid workers spend more than high paid ones so most of that will go back into the economy in one way or another

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119625321#Comment_119625321

Depends on the company policy, the public sector for example are getting a 6% increase over 2 years

16-09-2022 06:06PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119625560#Comment_119625560

what about the private sector

16-09-2022 06:14PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119627530#Comment_119627530

That entirely depends on the companies themselves whether they will raise wages for those earning just like the above minimum wage. But honestly I can't see too many of them doing it.

Potential-Monke · 16-09-2022 09:40PM

I'll let ye know as soon as it's raised, because I'll be asking my employer for the same bump. I can already hear the laughs from the people who wipe their funny tears away with bank notes.

Quitelife · 16-09-2022 09:46PM

There are some very rich companies who could pay their staff a lot better than minimum wage but don’t .

Larry Goodman a man with hugely profitable factories paying misfortunes from Brazil and Lativa minimum wage for back breaking physical dirty work for years is a disgrace .

easy for him to be worth 4 billion when he treats his employees like dirt

Potential-Monke · 17-09-2022 12:42AM

Don't have to go outside the country for that. McDonagh is still raking it in off the back of min wage. Grand, not 4 billion, but 120 million is still not to be sniffed at. Then again, he also charges his staff for the uniform and also for a lunch even if they don't eat one.