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Connacht Team Talk Thread VI - Some like it TOH

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,595 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    Looking match by match the big games seemed to more or less sell out while small games seemed to draw a lot of 3k crowds.


    If you only have 8 home games and the three Irish derbies draw well all the drop is visible on the other games.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,052 ✭✭✭Zeugnis


    Let's hope the old adage about forwards deciding who wins a match is true, because I'm very concerned about our defense out wide against this Ulster team. Someone said that Adam Byrne was in a moon boot after the game against Castres, so maybe that explains his absence. And that TOH is picked for the season opener is not a good sign.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,920 ✭✭✭✭stephen_n


    Nearly all sporting events have suffered a similar or bigger drop in attendance post Covid.



  • Posts: 487 ✭✭ Arthur Puny Textbook


    Can I ask an honest question?

    What is the opinion of Connacht fans of so little Connact born players being in the matchday 23?

    2 out of the starting 15 and 4 further on the bench.

    I'm honestly not trying to stir and would just love to get the opinion of Connacht supporters.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,279 ✭✭✭ClanofLams


    More would be better of course but the reality is that Connacht has less than 10% of the population on the island and doesn’t have a strong tradition of rugby. There’s some talented prospects now with the Murray brothers Oisin McCormack and Shane Jennings, hopefully they can break through. The likes of Kieran Marmion who has Galway heritage and been here since he was 18 I more or less count as indigenous.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,511 ✭✭✭Wegians89


    Not ideal but not to be unexpected given the population size and how big the gaa is in Connacht. There’s a good crop of local lads looking to break through which could add a few numbers in the future though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,052 ✭✭✭Zeugnis


    As others have pointed out the small number of Connacht-born players is simply a reality of demographics. I see the province as being defined more by the style of rugby that it plays, open and attacking, than the heritage of its players. In fact the weak demographics have meant that the provionce plays the function of channeling players from the exile program and the overflow from other provinces bigger systems, especially Leinster. AF has also thickened the Australian influence.

    As Clann of Lams mentioned, we have a strong cohort who represented Ireland at U20 in recent years and are now on senior contracts, lots to look forward to there. Unfortunately this is not the case with this years' U20s, U19s or U18s, which is a concern, as of course the objective is to grow the grassroots, and if there's no consistency it's difficult to really call it progress.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,298 ✭✭✭freyners


    Not particularly focused on it for the reasons stated above but also I tend to look at what we have produced as well, players like Boyle, Marmion (mentioned above) and Conor Fitzgerald, while starting rugby elsewhere, have come through our academy system and played all their professional career (to date) in Connacht.

    Realistically we are never going to enjoy the levels of home produced by the other three provinces due to population, lack of clubs and strong competition from other sports. Would I like to see more, absolutely.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,044 ✭✭✭connachta


    For me, they're considered as available (if they don't play on the 9th)

    In case of injuries

    So basically it's mainly about keeping Murphy, Marmion and Heffernan fit for tonight and the next 3 games.

    If so, there's no drop in performance compared to Prend/Blade/DTM

    1 injury in the 3 and it's indeed a weakening



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,279 ✭✭✭ClanofLams


    There will absolutely be a drop. Bringing Blade/Marmion on is a far better option than O’Reilly at this stage at least. Cian Prendergast has been one of the most impressive players for Connacht in the last two years, we are clearly worse off for him not being involved.

    Time will tell but I don’t expect them to be involved on the 9th barring emergency. They’re not come back in for one or two days of training max after a month away and be selected.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,044 ✭✭✭connachta


    Murphy is a very very decent blindside, Prendergast isn't fully made yet, so no, no massive gap. Dowling's there to play 6 if needed too

    Marmion as any SH can play 70 minutes for 4 games, I don't worry about that position as long as he's fit.

    And DTM at this stage is still barely 2nd choice, no bother to have Heff/Stewart experience

    Not even talking about Illo (for now 3rd choice with Bealham there next weeks) or Mullins (not even in main squad)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,279 ✭✭✭ClanofLams


    Connacht are losing the option of bringing on a proven quality nine after 50/55 minutes, that can make a big impact in a game as we have seen in recent seasons. Losing one of if not our best player over the last two seasons. Josh Murphy looks an excellent player but with Prendergast we could have both in the back row or Murphy in the second row if needed or one adding impact off the bench, Prendergast is clearly better than most of our back five forwards other than Murphy. Losing the opportunity to give Tierney Martin gametime and see where he is before Delahunt returns, game time which will instead go to a six month emergency signing with no long term benefit.

    Injuries have the potential to make it even worse of course but Connacht are clearly far worse off because of this bullshit tour already.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,044 ✭✭✭connachta


    N.Murray/Thornbury is a great pairing, Dowling very efficent too, Fifita'a has a final year in him, very happy Murphy is kept to 6 for now

    Disagree with DTM too, if we want to get points in this horrible run of game, we have to get our more experience pairing who is made of both international guys Heffernan/Stewart

    Agree re Blade but Marms is able to play 4X70 minutes + Reilly can do 10 min (very lively guy) without much harm I'd hope

    It's never good to miss players but it's better now than mid december with 10-15 injuries in the squad



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,279 ✭✭✭ClanofLams


    Grant Stewart was released by Glasgow and is a six month emergency signing. Maybe he defies expectations but it’s likely he has no long term future here and Tierney Martin is evidently ahead of him currently.

    Not trying to be smart but getting a Scottish cap is relatively straightforward if you are in Glasgow/Edinburgh squad, you’re basically a couple of injuries away from a spot. He has one cap, I wouldn’t have high hopes.

    Cian Prendergast has been our best back row in the last two seasons, that’s why he went to New Zealand, he’s a huge loss.

    Having both Marmion and Blade in the 23 is far better than not, I think that’s fairly obvious.

    Look we won’t agree but this thing is very bad for Connacht with the potential to get even worse with an injury or red card even.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,044 ✭✭✭connachta


    4) (without Murphy if he's busy as n°6)

    Thornbury, Fifita'a, Dowling, Murray 1, Murray 2

    6) (without Prendergast)

    Murphy, Boyle, Booth, Dowling, Butler (next week), D.Byrne

    9) (without Blade)

    Marmion, C.Reilly, Devine (great prospect), W.Reilly, Gilvarry

    3) (without Illo)

    Bealham (next week), Aungier, Robertson-Mc Coy, Fiachna Barrett 


    We're not in a horrible situation for now



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,785 ✭✭✭ElisaAtWar


    Biggest issue last year was two centres working together. So if Tom x 2 have resolved that issue we have enough across the park to give Ulster a run for their money. There was a lot of blame attributed to other players last year but if your centres are haemorrhaging the guys behind them don't even know where to start defending



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,044 ✭✭✭connachta


    Shane Jennings as 15 and David Hawkshaw as 13, as interesting calls for Eagles



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,279 ✭✭✭ClanofLams


    David Hawkshaw is on the bench against Ulster. It’s his brother playing for the eagles



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,044 ✭✭✭connachta


    Sorry about that

    Still fascinated by the idea of Jenning FB



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,785 ✭✭✭ElisaAtWar


    My only wish is a working defence. Lose or win is irrelevant. Get the defence right. If that happens I am happy. Then it's a really good start



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,044 ✭✭✭connachta


    The result won't suit you then.

    With that Ulster backline we'll probably conceed 40+

    But we're able to score 4 tries, mostly with forwards


    I prefer something like 41-27 with a Try Bonus Point than 17-9 with no point at all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,864 ✭✭✭realhorrorshow


    Jennings played 15 in school, but not since from what I have seen. According to a poster on the Leinster thread the fullback last week had a very tough game, so this could be a case of shoring up the backfield rather than a more permanent change for Jennings. He certainly has the skillset though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,308 ✭✭✭✭Utopia Parkway


    Going to be a long season on this evidence.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,279 ✭✭✭ClanofLams


    Early days and the season could prove me wrong yet but have to hope the IRFU haven’t done any contract renewals for coaching staff as they did with Van Graan last summer. Munster got out of that when Bath came in, I don’t think anyone will be doing likewise for Friend or Wilkins.

    Based on tonight we are looking at a four or five win season.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,864 ✭✭✭realhorrorshow


    Haven't seen us look so bad with ball in hand in years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,279 ✭✭✭ClanofLams


    Conceded 30+ in nine league games last season including 35 at home to Dragons and Edinburgh seconds putting 55 on the scoreboard away in especially humiliating defeats.

    Nothing changes under Friend. A clear out of the coaching staff at the end of the season is my main hope for the season right now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,716 ✭✭✭BrokenMan


    Maul defense awful.

    Discipline awful.

    Handling awful.

    Hard to see any positive tonight.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,279 ✭✭✭ClanofLams


    I’m sure the usual spin of “a lot of learnings” will be trotted out. Friend seems like a decent guy and all but all patience for that bullshit expired long ago.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,414 ✭✭✭testtech05


    Only positive for me was I thought Murphy played pretty well, best of a bad lot maybe but definitely showed the most of the new signings.

    Very poor performance overall though and could be a long 5 weeks for us.....



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,052 ✭✭✭Zeugnis


    Ironic that we were torn a ew one, but not in the way we expected. I thought Ulster's threat would be out wide, but it was in the tight. Unpofrtunately it appears we will spend the season dreading scrums, and the only way to mitigate that is impeccable handling in possession - but there were a lot of knock ons tonight.

    I felt we looked better once Blade and Hawkshaw came on, they gave us some purpose and momentum. Likewise thought DTM was good, and Murphy very good, and I prefer Murray to Fifita every time.

    Don't despair, we're better than this, and the return of Jack and our international cohort will make a big difference.



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