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Minister 'misinterpreted the requirements' after failure to declare second house in Longford

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,099 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    MM was down at some gig in or around Mullingar.

    Troy arrived with him in his (MM’s) state car according to one journo on Twitter.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,003 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    Troy hasn't left MM side since the think in started. If this is some sort of FF cockeyed plan to rehabilitate Troy it is going to back, it is seen more as a FU to people than anything else. Troy should have been hidden in a press and told not to come out till after everyone has left the building.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,292 ✭✭✭Blut2


    I'd agree. The Troy scandal is everything FF have been desperately trying to escape since the 2008 crash - dodgy property deals and tax avoidance/evasion (take your pick). They've spent a decade+ trying to kill that public perception of them as "gone with Bertie", only for Troy to show its still completely accurate today. And its even more damaging now in the middle of a housing crisis.

    Keeping Troy in the public eye, and tied to MM, this way is only likely to hurt FF nationwide more. If they shoved him out of the way somewhere away from the cameras at least it'd keep most of the damage to just his seat.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    Anyone think they will give im Finance seems still front and center.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,939 ✭✭✭✭retalivity


    FF are fcuked anyway, MM will be gone to Europe/retirement soon enough and its the likes of Troy who they have/had trusted as the future of the party. Sh1t sticks, and FF have been swimming it for near 15 years now. They were gifted an opportunity to present themselves as, basically Not-FG, but (and i hate giving him credit) Varadkar and co ran rings around them.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,124 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,003 ✭✭✭Floppybits



    It is bizarre that FF and Martin especially has put Troy front and centre of this think in, I don't get it, is it that Martin is so arrogant that he just doesn't give a crap how this is seen and is just giving 2 fingers to the electorate? It's nuts, we had FG ministers running back into a hotel at their think in when protesters were walking up the street and then you have FF putting Troy front and centre of their think in. As you say "its Bizarre".


    MM sold out FF to become Taoiseach, I think that is pretty clear to most people except those it seems who are hanging onto Martins coat tails. Varadkar and FG have ridden FF solid in the coalition, it looks like FG can do what they like, Varadkar leaking confidential documents, Coveney getting Zappone a job, Varadkar having AG change covid rules because he attended a party when he shouldn't have to name but a few whereas you have Dara Callerly go to a golf dinner and gets sacked. Now we have this Finance Minister fiasco coming up, do they give away another influential position in Europe just so Varadkar can be Taoiseach or do they screw FF and say this is too important and Donohue needs to stay as finance Minister, but alas that is all for another thread.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,406 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,003 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    The TD declarations is still rumbling on. According to the Journal (not a Twitter dump) 7 TD's have declared rental properties but have said that they did not receive any rental income from the properties. Its a bit strange unless they have people living in the rental properties for free. One TD who has 18 of these properties must be running some sort of charity, 18 rental properties but doesn't have any rental income from any of them. hmmmm




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    Must have mad money if you can leave 18 lay idle. 🤨



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,406 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Send in Revenue for heaven's sake. Utter chancers. Saying they have no rental income above 2600 in the current housing crisis is simply fraud.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 591 ✭✭✭dasa29


    While you could be right just thinking about this, I was talking to a person who manages a development office with 260 apartments in the development and she told me that a landlord told her the following,

    Rent: €750 per month

    Tax: €420

    management costs: €120

    Income left: €210 (unless a new Fridge, washing machine, or any other problems needing checking over the month)

    Total for year is €2520 (Again unless a new Fridge, washing machine, or any other problems needing checking over the year)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,292 ✭✭✭Blut2


    €750 a month for an entire apartment? Is the development in a timewarp to the year 1998?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    Sounds like affordable housing Run by a consortium.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 591 ✭✭✭dasa29


    it is a one bed Apartment in Market Point Mullingar, and I lived in a one bed there and my rent was €650 a month, till I got notice in Aug 21 to quit in April 22 as they were selling the Apartment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,292 ✭✭✭Blut2


    The most recent apartment sold there was for €165,000 in May of this year. €650 a month rent is only €9000 a year, a yield of only 4.7%, so you were likely underpaying significantly. The average rental yield in in Ireland is 6.64%, so you should have been paying closer to €900 a month.

    Which is still one of the cheapest parts of the country to rent in so not exactly representative. The average rent for a 1 bed apartment in Dublin was €1643 a month last November, its likely 10% higher now.

    The vast majority of landlords who own apartments in Ireland are getting *far* more than €750 a month rent for them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 591 ✭✭✭dasa29


    For the record my landlord put her ground floor one apartment up for sale at €125,000 and has gone sale agreed since mid-June 22.

    The development has 260 apartments made of mainly two bed apartments followed by a number of one bed apartments and three bed apartments.

    In my block there was 35 apartments broken down to 20 two bed apartments, 10 one bed apartments and 5 three bed apartments.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,003 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    With so many of the TD's in the Dáil being so forgetful that they can remember if they own a property or have an interest in a property, I am beginning to wonder if they are capable of being a TD. Here we have another FF'er Senator Ollie Crowe not just forgetting that owned a property but that he actually owned a pub with his name above the door. This on top of Stephen Donnelly accidently becoming a landlord twice and also failing to declare it. You would think that after what happened with Troy that the leaders of the parties would have sent out a memo to all their TD's and Senators to make sure everything was correct in their declarations and yet still we have this still happening.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,335 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    Yeah, seems to be a deficit in information coming from that quarter for a long time.

    unfortunately Pat has a great regard for the ‘lovable rogue’ and the ‘fixer’.Is high in his book of heroes.So instead of of dealing those chancers with the proverbial well planted deck shoe into the bollox they are revered and admired.

    Cannot understand that mentality mesell.

    Thats why so many of them get elected



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,003 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    Niall Collins now or should it be Niall O'Connor. Being corrupt must be a requirement for being part of FFG.





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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,406 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    This is the reason why successive FFG governments have not brought in recommended reforms. Recommended by expensive tribunals. They create bills and then block them. It's a joke. There is still a massive culture of Cronyism and Corruption. They hide it better but there are very few agencies policing it anyway. Look at SIPO, begging for more powers for many years. FFG elites ignore them.

    Post edited by Cluedo Monopoly on

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,194 ✭✭✭Jarhead_Tendler


    Is the housing crisis partially caused by TD's and Senators owning all the houses 😉?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,003 ✭✭✭Floppybits




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,744 ✭✭✭BrianD3


    I'm not defending him but the Collins situation seems less blatant/provable than the Troy or English ones. From a quick reading of the story, Collins lived with his parents until 1999, bought a house, then applied for PP in 2001, giving his parents' address? When adults move out of the family home there is usually a period where they give their address as the family home, still receive correspondence to the family home etc. This can go on for years and is usually IME due to laziness/sloppiness rather than skullduggery. Successful skullduggery takes more brains than most of them have.

    As for his wife's maiden name appearing in the newspaper notice, he can possibly wriggle out if that by blaming the planning agent. A lot of people employed to do a job are fcukin useless with poor attention to detail. Mixing up names is the sort of thing they do. Also, similar to the address situation, women can change their name after marriage yet for years they are referred to by their maiden name. Then when John Smith and Mary Smith (nee Jones) engage a planning agent, I could see them being so incompetent that they give the name John Jones to the newspaper.

    Also, my understanding is that copies of newspaper notices form part of the planning process and are kept in planning files. The PP should have been refused if there was a discrepancy with the name - but that would require Council officials to do their jobs.

    Now, if Collins signed a document where his name is given as Niall O'Connor then it is game, set and match for The Ditch.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,744 ✭✭✭BrianD3


    Uh oh, as happened with previous stories, The Ditch is drip feeding the juicy stuff. Now we learn that Collins' wife has difficulty spelling her own name, including, crucially when signing it. Can't pin that on a planning agent. Add to that a letter from a non existent company.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,292 ✭✭✭Blut2


    Hes got to be gone now, he and his wife were both obviously lying for their own benefit.

    How many more government ministers is it going to emerge have committed fraud I wonder? They're really racking up now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,003 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    Has Niall/Neil Collin's/O'Connor come out of hiding yet? I wonder who will be thrown under the bus.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,744 ✭✭✭BrianD3


    One great thing about these property stories from The Ditch is it is not particularly difficult, time consuming or expensive to get the information. A lot available even without FOI.

    Planning documents are public and many are online. Property price register - free. Land registry searches - small fee. Irish Newspaper Archive - small fee. Companies Registration info - small fee. Etc.

    The more of these stories there are, the more tipoffs there will be and the more efficient The Ditch will become.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,406 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Yes but FFG have also normalised corruption and cronyism so much that the public aren't shocked anymore.

    See how they have resisted all calls for reform. They know they have it good.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,228 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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